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« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2018, 12:16:53 am »
The problem with the Catholic priesthood is not that they have a higher incidence of **** than the populace at large, but rather that they put **** in a position of trust and access to minors, and that they shielded these individuals from the law, and continue to do so to this very day.

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« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2018, 03:49:08 pm »
And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept "perversion files" on suspected abusers but kept them secret.

Yes, the Boy Scouts have to answer for keeping secrets about abusers but I believe they removed them from the organization. The Catholic Church also did this, and moved them to other parishes where they could continue their abuse.

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« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2018, 04:03:39 pm »
The problem with the Catholic priesthood is not that they have a higher incidence of **** than the populace at large, but rather that they put **** in a position of trust and access to minors, and that they shielded these individuals from the law, and continue to do so to this very day.

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Maybe I'm just a stickler for the proper descriptions, but a **** is someone who goes after little kids, virtually always pre-pubescent, and the younger the better. The infamous NAMBLA group used to campaign for pedo rights under the slogan "Sex by eight or its too late".

From the cite I posted earlier.

Specifically, between 1950 and 2002, there were 246 girls younger than 8 who were sexually abused by priests (representing 14 percent of all girl victims), compared with 236 boys (3 percent of all boy victims). However, the most likely age of victims—for girls and boys—was between 11 and 14.

So there was definitely some **** in the church, but much of it looks more like unscrupulous men taking advantage of adolescents. And that kind can be found throughout society. I'm not aware of any efforts to shield such people from the law today. Most of the coverage I've seen put the freedom to indulge in that sort of sordid conduct mostly before 1980. As I pointed out, as late as 1980 SNL thought guys who molested children were funny and worth a good skit. Most of society was similarly blind to the damage.

That doesn't mean there might not be individuals within the organization who are hiding information for fear of their previous actions in covering things up might be exposed, of course. But I think any organization today that tries to shield such people and cover up their crimes would be suicidal, especially one which has been guilty of such crime in the past and so would be under additional scrutiny.

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Re: JW's in the news again
« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2018, 04:06:42 pm »
Yes, the Boy Scouts have to answer for keeping secrets about abusers but I believe they removed them from the organization. The Catholic Church also did this, and moved them to other parishes where they could continue their abuse.

And school boards did the same. Doctors who abused children likewise didn't lose their licenses.
You can remove a volunteer scout leader easily enough. You certainly can't move him to another city. Removing a priest is an entirely different matter and as I said before, much of Catholic doctrine is built on repentance and then forgiveness, and very little was known about the impact of child sex abuse back in the 1950s-1970s so it wasn't accorded the importance it should have been.
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« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2018, 04:33:25 pm »
The funny/sad part is that when the Catholic Church was going through its **** scandal, JW's stance (publicly and within the Borg-anization) was that what was going on was absolute proof that Catholicism was a false religion becasue no such thing could happen in the true religion.

I wonder what spin they're putting on their own **** scandals?  My money is on the "We're just imperfect men" excuse.  Or like other religions' excuse - "Those ones aren't the REAL representatives of our religion."
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« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2018, 05:38:14 pm »
Picture of one of the protest signs outside the big JW convention at Excel stadium in London, England.
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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2018, 04:16:10 pm »
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7116773/serena-williams-will-not-celebrate-daughters-first-birthday-jehovahs-witness/

Serena Williams in the news saying that her child will never celebrate a birthday because she is a JW.

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She replied: "Olympia doesn’t celebrate birthdays. We’re Jehovah’s Witnesses, so we don’t do that."

Serena Williams was loosely raised as a JW, but never baptized.

If she was really a JW, she would have been disfellowshipped for having the baby out of wedlock.  LOL

Yes, that's right - can't celebrate the child's birthday because god, but no problem with pre-marital sex.  LOL

Ahhhhh....the reasonings of the religiously brainwashed.  Always entertaining.

Sad that the little girl will have to deal with this garbage with minimal affiliation to the religion.
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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2018, 09:33:25 am »
Religion in a liberalized world are like a buffet. People pick and choose the aspects that they like and understand the best, while rejecting the parts that they disagree with. Faith, like everything else these days, is customizable for the individual adherent. There's a growing number of gay Catholics, who just reject aspects of the religion that reject them.

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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2018, 11:10:56 am »
Religion in a liberalized world are like a buffet. People pick and choose the aspects that they like and understand the best, while rejecting the parts that they disagree with.

In general, yes.  In high-control cults, no.

In cults, there are consequences for rejecting the parts you don't agree with and those consequences are quite costly.
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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2018, 11:12:58 am »


In cults, there are consequences for rejecting the parts you don't agree with and those consequences are quite costly.

Unless you're Serena Williams and make some hefty donations to the cult.
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2018, 11:32:04 pm »
This is disappointing.  Serena Williams is the greatest of all-time in her field. Few others have ever been as good as her over such a long period of time.  And not just in tennis, but pretty much any sport...  comparables might be Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Niklas Lidstrom, Tom Brady... pretty much the elite of the elite.  And I am not usually into chocolate, but she is pretty much a goddess.  Finding out that she is into off-the-wall crap feels about the same as finding out that Tom Cruise is a wack-job hard-core Scientologist.   I still like Tom Cruise movies... but knowing that about him just erodes my appreciation of him. And same with Serena.  So disappointing.

Extreme example: Ted Nugent.  I still love "Stranglehold", but can't consider myself a Ted Nugent fan knowing that he's a total retard in real life.  I don't consider Serena or Cruise to be in the same category as Nugent, but just knowing that they're into cult **** takes the shine off of their extraordinary careers for me.

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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2018, 06:52:34 am »
I dunno. I feel like not celebrating birthdays is pretty low on the list of **** JWs do that others should care about. Maybe I'm too socially liberal, but I think if a family chooses not to celebrate birthdays that's their prerogative. This isn't something that's exclusive to JWs either. Even their bizarre views on blood transfusions. If an adult chooses to decline life-saving medical treatment, that's up to them. What gets to be a problem for me is when they refuse life-saving medical treatment for their children.
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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2018, 02:19:02 pm »
same as finding out that Tom Cruise is a wack-job hard-core Scientologist.   I still like Tom Cruise movies... but knowing that about him just erodes my appreciation of him.

When you watch Jack Ryan or Ethan Hunt, are you thinking about them undergoing auditing? While he is in the role, I don't think about it, but it might influence my decision to watch something. I did like House of Cards, and watched the first couple of seasons but I have yet to borrow the DVDs for the following ones after the how Kevin Spacey debacle.

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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2018, 10:51:57 pm »
This is disappointing.  Serena Williams is the greatest of all-time in her field. Few others have ever been as good as her over such a long period of time.  And not just in tennis, but pretty much any sport...  comparables might be Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Niklas Lidstrom, Tom Brady... pretty much the elite of the elite.  And I am not usually into chocolate, but she is pretty much a goddess.  Finding out that she is into off-the-wall crap feels about the same as finding out that Tom Cruise is a wack-job hard-core Scientologist.   I still like Tom Cruise movies... but knowing that about him just erodes my appreciation of him. And same with Serena.  So disappointing.

Extreme example: Ted Nugent.  I still love "Stranglehold", but can't consider myself a Ted Nugent fan knowing that he's a total retard in real life.  I don't consider Serena or Cruise to be in the same category as Nugent, but just knowing that they're into cult **** takes the shine off of their extraordinary careers for me.

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So would you be the same level of dissapointed in Roger Federer if you knew he was a devout Catholic?   


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Re: JW's in the news again
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2018, 01:09:23 pm »
I dunno. I feel like not celebrating birthdays is pretty low on the list of **** JWs do that others should care about. Maybe I'm too socially liberal, but I think if a family chooses not to celebrate birthdays that's their prerogative. This isn't something that's exclusive to JWs either. Even their bizarre views on blood transfusions. If an adult chooses to decline life-saving medical treatment, that's up to them. What gets to be a problem for me is when they refuse life-saving medical treatment for their children.

It's not just birthdays, it's all holidays, too.  No Christmas, no Mother's/Father's day, no Easter, nothing.  It causes a lot of problems for children in school.  And really, it's done as a control tactic - to sparate JW's from the mainstream and keep them from associating with people who DO celebrate those things. It's to keep them AWAY from unbelieving family.  And it does work that way.

Even as adults, my kids have expressed issues with their JW father to me - what do they talk about with him?  My daughter can't tell him how much fun it was to work the scarehouse at Halloween and show him pictures of their costumes.  My son can't ever invite him to his daughter's birthday party.  We don't go to 3X weekly religious meetings and 4X/year assemblies and conventions.  They don't have much to talk about with him because this is all bullshit to us.  It is a big deal,  not celebrating anything.

Of course, the blood transfusion issue is altogether different - actual people are dying so the government has to step in to regulate that while trying to balance "religious freedom".  Even if an adult refuses blood for themselves, (the issue often arises in conjunction with childbirth) it impacts the family - either the mother or the child or both die.  Unfortunately, JW's devised the tactic of presenting young people as "mature minors" who can make their own decision.  This is applauded.  I have attached one such article from the Awake! magazine where young people are held up as heroes for giving up their lives for the blood issue.  And another article that presents another young person and the court case that followed.

I believe the JW leadership knows their stand on blood has no biblical basis, even t hough they try to present it as such.  But they can never recant the belief now - too many people have died from following their advice and it would open them up to more lawsuits.  I know an Ex-JW who left becuase 2 weeks after his mother refused an organ transplant that was banned by the religion and died, the religion suddenly reverses its stand decided it was okay for her to have done it.  Too late for her, of course.
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