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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2019, 12:57:17 pm »
I tried to discuss this here and on the other site.  I provided many links to articles and quotes from books written on this very subject.  Each time I was shut down by people who said that what is going on in Europe is fake news and they poo-poo'ed every incident of anti-semitism in France that I cited.

I have found people with left leaning political affiliations tend to be more anti-Semitic than ones that lean right of centre on the political spectrum.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2019, 01:36:53 pm »
I tried to discuss this here and on the other site.  I provided many links to articles and quotes from books written on this very subject.  Each time I was shut down by people who said that what is going on in Europe is fake news and they poo-poo'ed every incident of anti-semitism in France that I cited.

I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2019, 01:42:03 pm »
I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.
Alt-right sources like the NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2019, 01:57:03 pm »
I'm guessing, without actually seeing any sources, that you quoted alt-right nonsense. 

But, I will stand to be corrected.

Some people reject information no matter where it comes from.  I posted the numbers of Jews leaving France (and other countries) and I posted the urgings of Jewish Defense Leagues and the Israeli government who also recommended that it was getting too dangerous for Jews in Europe.

It was all rejected.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2019, 02:56:27 pm »
Alt-right sources like the NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/corbyn-berger-anti-semitism.html

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I read the op-ed...  seems to blame the Labour leader as being antisemitic, but gave no examples...   I came away from the article not knowing anything about Corbin痴 antisemitic behaviour.  Not a great read.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 03:06:36 pm »
Some people reject information no matter where it comes from.  I posted the numbers of Jews leaving France (and other countries) and I posted the urgings of Jewish Defense Leagues and the Israeli government who also recommended that it was getting too dangerous for Jews in Europe.

It was all rejected.

Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2019, 03:12:54 pm »
Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.

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Re: Jewish population of Canada
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2019, 03:31:53 pm »
Do you think there are less, the same or more discrimination against Muslims? 

Seems, in Canada at least, that Muslims are often the target of bigotry and hatred...   

But, then again, maybe I just haven稚 heard of much antisemitism lately for whatever reason.

I do know that if we had fewer Muslims and Christians, antisemitism would probably decrease...   and if we had fewer Christians and Jews, then the anti-Muslim nonsense would likely be less.  We would also be further ahead in things like stem cell research...   the anti-abortion (anti-woman) nonsense would be lessened...  there would be less excuse to be completely ignorant about the world around us and the Cosmos in general (looking at you whacky creationists...).  Religion poisons everything.

French, Irish, Jewish, Japanese, etc. They have all faced discrimination in Canada at one point or another. Muslims are the only group where a small yet significant % wants us to adapt to their way of life (Sharia Law). No other cultural group has plotted terrorist attacks against Canada.

Many will find my comments extreme, but then again if social media had existed in the 30s, many would be dismissive of any criticism of the Third Reich. Ironic that Churchill himself was one of the first people to speak openly against Hitler and Islam as threats to Western democracy
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Re: Jewish population of Canada
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2019, 03:34:42 pm »
I read the op-ed...  seems to blame the Labour leader as being antisemitic, but gave no examples...   I came away from the article not knowing anything about Corbin痴 antisemitic behaviour.  Not a great read.
Well there are other sources with more specifics but the general point is Corbyn has created a Labour Party where anti-Jew sentiment is acceptable even if many of the conversations are private. This was one of the factors listed by the 7 MPs who recently quit Labour:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47278902

I think it is a lot of evidence for those willing to look that anti-Semitic sentiment is on the rise in Europe and a lot of it is coming from the left and not the far right who are more concerned about Muslim right now.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2019, 03:55:53 pm »
Well there are other sources with more specifics but the general point is Corbyn has created a Labour Party where anti-Jew sentiment is acceptable even if many of the conversations are private. This was one of the factors listed by the 7 MPs who recently quit Labour:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47278902

I think it is a lot of evidence for those willing to look that anti-Semitic sentiment is on the rise in Europe and a lot of it is coming from the left and not the far right who are more concerned about Muslim right now.

I haven't seen anything convincing that Corbyn is antisemitic....   seems a lot of these people equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. 

I agree that antisemitism is on the rise in parts of Europe.  The left though?  That's your right-wing wet-dream... the left-wing boogeyman!!   All the sources I have read have cited a rise in right-wing groups and the recent Muslim immigrant increases are to blame.

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/15/antisemitism-rising-sharply-across-europe-latest-figures-show

Antisemitism is rising sharply across Europe, experts have said, as France reported a 74% increase in the number of offences against Jews last year and Germany said the number of violent antisemitic attacks had surged by more than 60%.
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A combination of factors seem to be to blame. In the past two decades, antisemitic attacks in Europe have generally peaked in line with tensions in the Middle East. 典hey were essentially the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, imported, said Marc Knobel, a historian at the Crif umbrella group for France痴 Jewish organisations. 迭ather than attacking Israelis, people went for Jews.

But since early last year, said Fr馘駻ic Potier of the French government痴 anti-racism and antisemitism body Dilcrah, more traditional forms of antisemitism have re-emerged. 展e are witnessing the resurgence of a virulent, far-right identity politics that does not hesitate to put its beliefs into action, Potier told Le Monde.

Knobel said the taboos around antisemitism 塗ad all but disappeared, pointing to the re-emergence of longstanding antisemitic tropes involving Jews and money. In France, for example, he told Lib駻ation, the fact that Macron previously worked for the Rothschild merchant bank had 吐uelled a load of rumours.

Experts describe a 菟erfect storm for antisemitic attacks combining the increasing influence of far-right groups and governments; the rise of conspiracy theories about a supposed global Zionist plot (and the scale on which they circulate on social media); and a general increase in the violence of public discourse.
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A large influx of mostly Muslim refugees and migrants to Germany from 2015 has also led to a rise in antisemitic attacks by migrants from Arab states, although figures show an overwhelming majority of violence against Jews is perpetrated by far-right supporters. 溺ilitant rightwing extremists are now openly calling for the desecration of Jewish institutions and attacks against Jewish people, Pau said.
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2019, 07:25:43 pm »
I haven't seen anything convincing that Corbyn is antisemitic....   seems a lot of these people equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
7 MPs quiting and with one saying:

>> Ms Berger said Labour had become institutionally anti-Semitic and she was "embarrassed and ashamed" to stay.

If that is not enough evidence to demonstrate a problem then you are being willfully obtuse. Keep in mind those words are said by Labour MPs who still care about all the issues the left wing politicians care about.

As for France, perhaps the issue depends a lot on the county.

The argument that "I am not anti-Jewish, I just think the Jewish state should not exist." does not resonate with me so I tend to view most of the arguments against the Israeli state to be covers for anti Semitism even if it is driven from the left wing bigotry against racial groups deemed to have "privilege" rather that a specific animosity towards Jews.

That said, if someone really wants to criticize the actions of the Israeli state without descending into anti Semitism then one has to first acknowledge that the Palestinians are not innocent bystanders and acknowledge the legitimate security concerns which Israel has. Almost no left wing anti-Israel type is willing to do this and instead simply demonizes Israel and Jews for beating up in "innocent" Palestinians. The latter is anti-Semitism especially when you consider that the same people routinely ignore much greater abuses in non-Jewish states.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2019, 08:46:17 pm »
Let's all be damn glad Canada isn't a short boat-ride from the middle east like France is.  3 oceans and the USA are the best neighbours in the world.
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Re: Jewish population of Canada
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2019, 01:25:53 am »
Unbelievably, antisemitism is on the rise in Germany:

The 21-year-old victim of an anti-Semitic attack on the streets of Berlin has told German media that, despite the fact that he was wearing a traditional Jewish skullcap, he was not Jewish, but an Israeli Arab wearing the kippa as an experiment.

"I'm not Jewish, I'm an Israeli, I grew up in Israel in an Arab family," the man told German broadcaster Deutsche Welle.

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He was conducting what he termed an "experiment" in response to a warning from a friend that wearing a kippa in Germany was unsafe, saying he refused to believe this.

An interview by Israeli broadcaster Kann identified the 21-year-old as Israeli Adam Armoush and showed that he was slightly injured by the belt.

"They kept cursing us and my friend asked them to stop cursing," Armoush told Kan TV. "They started to get angry and one of them ran to me and I knew it was important to film it because there would be no way to catch him by the time police arrived."




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBbnwvbUgxA

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/jewish-man-attacked-in-germany-admits-he-s-an-israeli-arab-1.6012220
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Re: Jewish population of Canada
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2019, 09:25:54 am »
I have found people with left leaning political affiliations tend to be more anti-Semitic than ones that lean right of centre on the political spectrum.

How so ?

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2019, 12:22:29 pm »
How so ?

In my experiences in real life. Many on the left have trouble distinguishing the country of Israel, and Jews in general. It's a clever way of being anti-Semitic, and having the ability to deny it and claim one is referring to Israel. There was a documentary of blatantly anti-Semitic incidents at Concordia university around 2002.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYUVsDfapb8
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