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Offline Omni

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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1155 on: August 13, 2018, 02:04:29 pm »
Can I get one of those white robes and a pointy white hat? Maybe a tiki thing to burn?
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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1156 on: August 13, 2018, 02:52:26 pm »
You seem to be trying to equate giving a slave a bite to eat and a place to lay their head at night with "pay" as a way of masking the reality of the situation. I suspect a lot of slaves would have preferred to actually get paid and fend for themselves outside of work.

No I'm not trying to equate that.  Obviously slavery was a good deal for plantation owners, and contributed to US profits and made plantation owners richer, otherwise they wouldn't have done it.  They also filled a labour shortage.  Demand for slaves outstripped supply, so they had value on a market in the US (yucky).  My point is slaves weren't free, but were a good deal, better than white paid labour, and my other point is that slaves helped drive early US economic growth but wasn't the sole reason or arguably even main reason the US become a global economic powerhouse in the 19th & early 20th century.  But yes the US was built on the backs of slaves, the white house & D.C. was built mostly by slaves.
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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1157 on: August 13, 2018, 04:29:50 pm »
No I'm not trying to equate that.  Obviously slavery was a good deal for plantation owners, and contributed to US profits and made plantation owners richer, otherwise they wouldn't have done it.  They also filled a labour shortage.  Demand for slaves outstripped supply, so they had value on a market in the US (yucky).  My point is slaves weren't free, but were a good deal, better than white paid labour, and my other point is that slaves helped drive early US economic growth but wasn't the sole reason or arguably even main reason the US become a global economic powerhouse in the 19th & early 20th century.  But yes the US was built on the backs of slaves, the white house & D.C. was built mostly by slaves.


Slavery was an international institution. Early America had slaves who were white and black. They started out being required to serve their slavery for a given period of time, usually because of crime or to pay off their travel fee or something. There were black slave owners in the early days. It eventually morphed into the kind of slavery where slaves were transported from Africa for that purpose, but I've seen nothing which says the Us couldn't have gotten along with them. Certainly by the time of the civil war the country to the north felt it had no need of them.

But using all this as a means of demonizing white people is moronic. Slavery has been around a lot longer than America, or, for that matter, any of the countries which now exist in Europe. People might look up the origin of the US navy and marine corps. They were built to fight North African slavers who were raiding American ships and taking American citizens as slaves. Prior to that they'd been raiding British ships but the Royal Navy put a stop to that in their usual bloody way by bombarding and burning the cities the ships came from, so they turned on easier prey.
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« Reply #1158 on: August 13, 2018, 04:50:45 pm »

Slavery was an international institution. Early America had slaves who were white and black. They started out being required to serve their slavery for a given period of time, usually because of crime or to pay off their travel fee or something. There were black slave owners in the early days. It eventually morphed into the kind of slavery where slaves were transported from Africa for that purpose, but I've seen nothing which says the Us couldn't have gotten along with them. Certainly by the time of the civil war the country to the north felt it had no need of them.

But using all this as a means of demonizing white people is moronic. Slavery has been around a lot longer than America, or, for that matter, any of the countries which now exist in Europe. People might look up the origin of the US navy and marine corps. They were built to fight North African slavers who were raiding American ships and taking American citizens as slaves. Prior to that they'd been raiding British ships but the Royal Navy put a stop to that in their usual bloody way by bombarding and burning the cities the ships came from, so they turned on easier prey.

The actual crimes you are trying to sweep under the rug are those of American slave traders who threw Black Africans on ships, brought them across the ocean while many of them died due to the conditions on those ships, and then forced them to work on their cotton plantations. I can imagine that somehow in your xenophobic oriented mind you can find a way to blame those same people for illegal immigration.

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« Reply #1159 on: August 13, 2018, 07:04:53 pm »
The actual crimes you are trying to sweep under the rug are those of American slave traders who threw Black Africans on ships, brought them across the ocean while many of them died due to the conditions on those ships, and then forced them to work on their cotton plantations. I can imagine that somehow in your xenophobic oriented mind you can find a way to blame those same people for illegal immigration.

As I've already pointed out, your pathetic attempt at demonizing white people by shouting SLAVERY makes even less sense than most of your idiotic beliefs. Africans took and kept slaves. North Africans most especially did. People have been taking slaves for eons. The only thing whites did new was to end it.

Your hatred of white people blinds you to historical truths.
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« Reply #1160 on: August 13, 2018, 07:18:49 pm »
As I've already pointed out, your pathetic attempt at demonizing white people by shouting SLAVERY makes even less sense than most of your idiotic beliefs. Africans took and kept slaves. North Africans most especially did. People have been taking slaves for eons. The only thing whites did new was to end it.

Your hatred of white people blinds you to historical truths.

Oh I'm sure I'm every bit as white as you are. Just not such a sore loser as you. Your buddy Trump has a similar hang up.
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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1161 on: August 13, 2018, 08:40:59 pm »
Certainly by the time of the civil war the country to the north felt it had no need of them.

The North didn't need slaves because they didn't have a plantation economy.  Sugar and cotton couldn't be grown in northern US climates.  But the north did manufacture cotton products and ship cotton overseas for profit.

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But using all this as a means of demonizing white people is moronic. Slavery has been around a lot longer than America, or, for that matter, any of the countries which now exist in Europe. People might look up the origin of the US navy and marine corps. They were built to fight North African slavers who were raiding American ships and taking American citizens as slaves. Prior to that they'd been raiding British ships but the Royal Navy put a stop to that in their usual bloody way by bombarding and burning the cities the ships came from, so they turned on easier prey.

Slavery isn't as much a white southern American problem as a human problem.  Africans raided and captured villages of local enemies and sold their captive slaves to the white slave traders.  Most humans have progressed since then, except for some ie: racist hangers-on in southern US etc.
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« Reply #1162 on: August 14, 2018, 07:09:55 am »
What? You don't think it's a great deal to exchange your personal autonomy and freedom for food, clothing, and shelter?

We do that all the time.  Security costs money.

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« Reply #1163 on: August 14, 2018, 07:11:28 am »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/william-mcnally-school-president-a-culprit-as-truth-gets-trumped-at-laurier

A contrary point of view from mine, to get back to the topic.

I still think the answer to the question is 'no' specifically but that it's blown out of proportion.  However, it is time to rebuild trust.  I maintain that the early days of the Peterson debate were a missed opportunity, but that there will be another one soon and we should jump on it when it comes.


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« Reply #1164 on: August 14, 2018, 08:52:15 am »
We do that all the time.  Security costs money.
I don't think you quite understand the concept of completely giving up your personal autonomy and freedom. Even if you hate your job, you're still entitled to self-direct your life. You're not owned by someone else who determines not just your future, but every last aspect of your life. This is slavery and indentured servitude.

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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1165 on: August 14, 2018, 11:44:52 am »
Slavery isn't as much a white southern American problem as a human problem.  Africans raided and captured villages of local enemies and sold their captive slaves to the white slave traders.  Most humans have progressed since then, except for some ie: racist hangers-on in southern US etc.

Why mention them? There are places in the world where slavery still exists just as it has for thousands of years. And they're not white countries.
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« Reply #1166 on: August 14, 2018, 11:49:45 am »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/william-mcnally-school-president-a-culprit-as-truth-gets-trumped-at-laurier

A contrary point of view from mine, to get back to the topic.

If it is a contrary view to yours please explain what you find objectionable about it. And how it differs from yours.
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Re: Is The College Intolerance Meme Bullshit ?
« Reply #1167 on: August 15, 2018, 05:57:09 am »
I don't think you quite understand the concept of completely giving up your personal autonomy and freedom. Even if you hate your job, you're still entitled to self-direct your life. You're not owned by someone else who determines not just your future, but every last aspect of your life. This is slavery and indentured servitude.

I think maybe I read your post literally and didn't understand the context.

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« Reply #1168 on: August 15, 2018, 06:02:30 am »
If it is a contrary view to yours please explain what you find objectionable about it. And how it differs from yours.

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On July 31, the Globe and Mail published an op-ed by Deborah MacLatchy, president of Wilfrid Laurier University, titled “Not merely free speech, but better speech needs to be protected on campus.”

Do we not agree that the point of free speech on campus is 'better' speech ?  Even though they incorrectly shut down speech, she is correct that we need to have better discussions.  Once AGAIN, I will point to the early days of the Jordan Peterson debate as an example.


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She states, “The real exchange of ideas takes place in an atmosphere that both respects experiences and is grounded in evidence…” This is a dog whistle to post-modern disciplines that privilege “lived experience,” reject reason as a white, patriarchal construct, reject the scientific method and, ultimately, reject the notion of truth.

Academia should marked by respectful and evidence-based discussion.  'Reject the scientific method' is hyperbole.
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« Reply #1169 on: August 15, 2018, 11:54:07 am »
Do we not agree that the point of free speech on campus is 'better' speech ?

You seem to believe there is some neutral arbiter of what 'better' is. I have no such belief. I have  strong suspicions that, as professor McNally states, her interpretation of 'better' is speech which agrees with her political and ideological views. He also gives a number of examples where she most definitely tilted the scales towards speech that was more ideologically in line with hers.

So what I asked was what did you disagree with in the cite of his you posted.

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