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Re: Interesting videos
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2018, 01:21:32 pm »
This is a video of two liberals who actively resist and campaign against identity politics and the extremism of the left.

I watched, and I was generally okay with what they were saying up to the point where they got to Alex Jones.

The first thing they said was something along the lines of "I don't even want to get into what Alex Jones talks about, because that's beside the point..."  but it's not beside the point. It is the point.  You can't talk about the deplatforming of Alex Jones without actually talking about what has been removed from the platform.

They both take as a given that these privately owned platforms-- Twitter, Facebook, Youtube-- should be considered public utilities, and suggest that maybe they should be broken up like other monopolies.  Rubin at one point compares removing Jones from these platforms to cutting off water to his house.  That they both take all this as a given is a major hole in their argument, IMO.  That's an issue that in itself could be debated forever.   I'm certainly ok with the idea that the internet and world-wide-web itself has become a public utility, but individual services therein are not. Our radio airwaves are a public utility, but individual broadcasters therein are responsible for their own content.


I am with Rubin and Lehmann as far as it comes to the notion that ideas, even controversial ones, deserve a fair examination.  But I think we have a strong difference when it comes to what actually constitutes a fair examination.  To me, a fair examination requires some standard as to the accuracy of the claims being made and logical development of an argument.  A mentally disturbed imbecile asserting without evidence that Hillary Clinton has a dungeon full of child sex slaves locked up in the basement of a Washington pizza parlor is not an idea that deserves a fair examination. A mentally ill moron claiming that the parents whose children were murdered at Sandy Hook are all actors, posting their personal information on the internet, and inviting his audience to harass them, this isn't the kind of thing that deserves a fair hearing.


These two both failed out big-time when they tried to turn Alex Jones into a case study for what happens when you prevent people from presenting controversial ideas.  "Let's talk about Alex Jones... but let's not talk about what he actually says or the reasons he got booted off these platforms... let's just pretend that this happened to somebody who had serious ideas to present."


I have not yet watched part 2, which is apparently called "outrage and the alt-right".  I am anticipating that they're going to bemoan that people refused to have an honest engagement with the alt-right, even though the alt-right in themselves don't actually follow any rules of honest engagement in their discourse.


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