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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #420 on: April 11, 2022, 01:25:41 pm »
Get yourself someone who loves you as much as Jordan Peterson loves maintaining the status quo:

"I'm not sure (being an activist) is a good thing."


Also: boy does he look like hell.

Something up with him for sure.

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« Reply #421 on: April 11, 2022, 01:27:21 pm »
Something up with him for sure.

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« Reply #422 on: April 11, 2022, 01:42:49 pm »
There's something that has been sucked out of the core of American life for these guys - and probably women too - to be so empty.

Maybe with women they're raised to find meaning in others' happiness or something, no idea.  But these people are generally bereft of meaning and means to lead a good life.

As much as I find them horrible, I do feel sorry for them.

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« Reply #423 on: April 11, 2022, 01:48:55 pm »
There's something that has been sucked out of the core of American life for these guys - and probably women too - to be so empty.

Maybe with women they're raised to find meaning in others' happiness or something, no idea.  But these people are generally bereft of meaning and means to lead a good life.

As much as I find them horrible, I do feel sorry for them.

A lot of reactionaries like Peterson will tell you that there's a crisis of masculinity caused by feminism, acceptance of LGBTQ individuals and rejection of traditional masculinity's more toxic elements and they aren't necessarily wrong, it's just that their solutions are to try and turn back the clock, roll back progress of those previously marginalized groups and embrace the toxic traits, which is both quixotic and destructive.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #424 on: April 11, 2022, 02:01:06 pm »
1. A lot of reactionaries like Peterson will tell you that there's a crisis of masculinity caused by feminism, acceptance of LGBTQ individuals and rejection of traditional masculinity's more toxic elements

2. and they aren't necessarily wrong, it's just that their solutions are to try and turn back the clock, roll back progress of those previously marginalized groups and embrace the toxic traits, which is both quixotic and destructive.

1. "Masculinity" as it appears in our culture is not controlled by anyone.  If they are bemoaning the loss of the Marlboro Man, then they should think about where an image like that comes from.  They are complaining that a false image, a narrative, a fiction, is passing into history.

2. Social roles are not understood well by anyone, I would say, with the exception of artists, writers and those who can cast us in the mirror. 

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #425 on: April 11, 2022, 02:29:22 pm »
A lot of reactionaries like Peterson will tell you that there's a crisis of masculinity caused by feminism, acceptance of LGBTQ individuals and rejection of traditional masculinity's more toxic elements and they aren't necessarily wrong, it's just that their solutions are to try and turn back the clock, roll back progress of those previously marginalized groups and embrace the toxic traits, which is both quixotic and destructive.

Those are not the solutions Peterson proposes.  In a society of young men raised by single moms, female teachers, and other otherwise kind people who often coddle them, his solution is for people to take on responsibility, become more self-sufficient.

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« Reply #426 on: April 11, 2022, 02:46:11 pm »
Those are not the solutions Peterson proposes.  In a society of young men raised by single moms, female teachers, and other otherwise kind people who often coddle them, his solution is for people to take on responsibility, become more self-sufficient.

Which is a a fundamentally conservative position when you couple it with his rejection of the idea of social change as a positive force.

I'm not sure how you can look at the guy's body of work and public statements and not detect the obvious pining for the Way Things Used To Be.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #427 on: April 11, 2022, 02:55:52 pm »
Which is a a fundamentally conservative position when you couple it with his rejection of the idea of social change as a positive force.

I'm not sure how you can look at the guy's body of work and public statements and not detect the obvious pining for the Way Things Used To Be.

What if he thinks some people want to "progress" society in undesirable ways, which is conservative not necessarily reactionary.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #428 on: April 11, 2022, 02:56:42 pm »
Well, I have always felt that morality and self-help was something we need en masse.

But the thesis of the Ed Norton/Brad Pitt double-guy are supposed to be the ravings of a madman.  And isn't the writer of the movie trans ?

Peterson is an academic oddity, to say the least, to suggest such things without clear reasons.

My suspected reason for all of this is the death of God, but you won't find me going on YouTube to say that without more than an opinion.

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« Reply #429 on: April 11, 2022, 02:59:44 pm »
What if he thinks some people want to "progress" society in undesirable ways, which is conservative not necessarily reactionary.

Well, yes, he does. 

If he isn't a reactionary, he sure gets them excited.  Maybe that's because he blames people who don't follow tradition as being the source of the problem.

It's an oddity.

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« Reply #430 on: April 11, 2022, 03:07:59 pm »
What if he thinks some people want to "progress" society in undesirable ways, which is conservative not necessarily reactionary.

Thinking that women, gays, trans people, "Marxists" etc are trying to destroy western civilization by overturning the natural hierarchy is textbook reactionary thought.
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« Reply #431 on: April 11, 2022, 03:10:35 pm »
1. "Marxists" etc are trying to destroy western civilization by overturning the natural hierarchy is textbook reactionary thought.

1. I'm still not over this.  The real Marxists think JP is hilarious.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #432 on: April 11, 2022, 04:41:01 pm »
Thinking that women, gays, trans people, "Marxists" etc are trying to destroy western civilization by overturning the natural hierarchy is textbook reactionary thought.

Well, whatever label we give him or anyone else is irrelevant, what matters is the validity of each argument he puts forward.  In terms of the argument of activism being "bad", that seems like a silly argument.  It would entirely depend on what an activist is trying to achieve.
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« Reply #433 on: April 11, 2022, 05:20:37 pm »
Well, whatever label we give him or anyone else is irrelevant, what matters is the validity of each argument he puts forward. In terms of the argument of activism being "bad", that seems like a silly argument. It would entirely depend on what an activist is trying to achieve.

It's an entirely consistent argument for JP. Activism means change and change is bad because the status quo is the natural order.


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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #434 on: May 05, 2022, 04:31:06 pm »
Benzos simply demolished our man's ability to keep his s*t together. Same energy as when my partner was pregnant and hormonal and she'd start crying at dog food commercials.