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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #330 on: January 23, 2022, 06:32:31 pm »


Lol.   Well maybe he doesn't mainly present that many new ideas only truisms people lived by for hundreds or thousands of years that helped build the most successful civilization in human history and that we've done our best to forget over the last several decades.

Maybe some new ideas we've come up with have been good for people and society while others haven't and we haven't fully figured that out yet?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #331 on: January 24, 2022, 09:25:01 am »
I guess he comments because he has a right to?  Like why do you and I and Jimmy Kimmell and Jon Stewart and the ladies on The View and every celeb/user on Twitter comment on social issues?  Because they can.

I guess he was also concerned c-16 or whatever was going to "compel speech". I still have no idea if he was right or wrong on that.   The most important thing is it started a discussion on the bill instead of all Canadians lying down like submissive cowards as is the nature of many of us and just accepting our govs social engineering because speaking out would be "offensive".  I think it's extremely important to talk about issues we're normally afraid to publicly.  So even if Peterson is wrong on a slew of things at least he's brave enough to publicly start the convo.

So spreading misinformation is fine if it gets people talking?

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Also, why is it only a big deal when someone on the right says something misinformed if not stupid?

Lol what? 99 per cent of the data points supporting the notion of "cancel culture" are low stakes anecdotes about obscure left wing people like your oft-cited tale of the school that banned Plato or whatever.

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Millions have tried to destroy one of the few Canadians who isn't a journalist who happens to have a different point of view from the progressive paradigm, and it caused him to be prescribed anti-anxiety meds which are classified as narcotics which he developed a physical dependency to which ruined him when he tried to get off them and almost killed him.  So yay?

Oh no people criticized the millionaire pundit and he was too mentally weak to handle any pushback, get me to my fainting couch.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #332 on: January 24, 2022, 09:25:26 am »
Lol.   Well maybe he doesn't mainly present that many new ideas only truisms people lived by for hundreds or thousands of years that helped build the most successful civilization in human history and that we've done our best to forget over the last several decades.

Maybe some new ideas we've come up with have been good for people and society while others haven't and we haven't fully figured that out yet?

Citation required.

"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is the bedrock of neoliberalism, the dominant ideology of the west for at least the last 40 years.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #333 on: January 25, 2022, 11:29:29 pm »
Citation required.

"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is the bedrock of neoliberalism, the dominant ideology of the west for at least the last 40 years.

Neoliberalism is an economic theory.  Parents don't raise their kids with neoliberalism.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #334 on: January 26, 2022, 10:04:17 am »
Neoliberalism is an economic theory.  Parents don't raise their kids with neoliberalism.

It's an ethos.

Again, where is your evidence?

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #335 on: January 26, 2022, 12:23:37 pm »

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #336 on: January 26, 2022, 01:05:22 pm »
How did you decide what to put in the model ?

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This is like listening to a pretentious first-year student know-it-all who just smoked a doob.

Uh... well we have sunlight and atmosphere... we didn't include hockey scores Jordan
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #337 on: January 26, 2022, 02:30:11 pm »
How did you decide what to put in the model ?

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This is like listening to a pretentious first-year student know-it-all who just smoked a doob.

Uh... well we have sunlight and atmosphere... we didn't include hockey scores Jordan

You’re insulting first year science students.  A first year science student understands the term “climate” and has a general understanding of how science is done.

That had to be the absolute stupidest thing I’ve ever heard him say…. but he’s also speaking to a Joe Rogan audience….  They will lap that BS up. 

“Yeah… climate is everything…. And they can’t study everything….  So climate change is wrong”.  WTF???
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #338 on: January 26, 2022, 03:00:27 pm »
You’re insulting first year science students.  A first year science student understands the term “climate” and has a general understanding of how science is done.

That had to be the absolute stupidest thing I’ve ever heard him say…. but he’s also speaking to a Joe Rogan audience….  They will lap that BS up. 

“Yeah… climate is everything…. And they can’t study everything….  So climate change is wrong”.  WTF???

1st year philosophy student talking about science...
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #339 on: January 26, 2022, 08:05:07 pm »
"There's no such thing as climate" - uhh false.

But the rest of his point is that the variables that determine climate are so vast that no model can possibly reproduce it accurately, and he's right.  At best we have rough guesses with significant margins of error.  We do know the earth is almost certainly going to get warmer as we keep adding GHG, we just don't know how warm.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #340 on: January 26, 2022, 08:12:42 pm »
"There's no such thing as climate" - uhh false.

But the rest of his point is that the variables that determine climate are so vast that no model can possibly reproduce it accurately, and he's right.  At best we have rough guesses with significant margins of error.  We do know the earth is almost certainly going to get warmer as we keep adding GHG, we just don't know how warm.
Exactly.  I’ve read estimates that by 2070, the earth could be a degree warmer.  Of course, that assumes technology won’t advance at all over the next 50 years.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #341 on: January 27, 2022, 02:51:38 pm »
1. But the rest of his point is that the variables that determine climate are so vast that no model can possibly reproduce it accurately, and he's right. 

2. At best we have rough guesses with significant margins of error. 

3. We do know the earth is almost certainly going to get warmer as we keep adding GHG, we just don't know how warm.

1. No he is wrong.  To a layman like him, or likely you, this would make sense but here's an analogy: you have to predict how long it will take you to drive to the take-out place and bring dinner back for your family.  What variables do you need to know to predict how long it will take ?

I would submit something like: traffic levels for your route at similar hours, and maybe emergency notices... the point being that you can pretty much predict how long it will take given two variables.  With temperature it is two basic things: sunlight levels and CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.

2. You are at this point just repeating what you have heard armchair skeptics say.  Let me ask you (without looking) what the IPCC prediction for temperature change is... the fact is that they have been pretty accurate.

3. I'm glad you said that... very true.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #343 on: January 27, 2022, 07:49:12 pm »
With temperature it is two basic things: sunlight levels and CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
 

You don't need all the variables.  You can't possibly include them or would they help.

Like... do you need to know how many bees are in the neighbourhood at the moment ?  The cost of wheat ?  Aftershave consumption levels ?

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #344 on: January 27, 2022, 07:56:46 pm »
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