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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #300 on: January 21, 2022, 03:41:24 pm »
Not sure what you mean.  Did Peterson not have to embarassingly retract his fantasm that C-16 would compel speech ?

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Yes.  Yes that did happen.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #301 on: January 21, 2022, 03:49:04 pm »
1. not in my eyes but probably in the view of his philosophy of moral turpitude
2. I resent that.  I assassinate his character in plain day
3. I don't need to discredit him, he does that on his own.  If you find me lying about Peterson post it and I will retract.  I respect you that much.

1. I'm starting to doubt this.  C'mon Michael.
3. Ok thank you i would appreciate that.  But seriously, do you not see the blatant mischaracterizations blackdog is peddling?  They are either purposefully lying, or they have cognitive issues, or they have a legit mental illness, and I suspect its #1.  Use your own standards regardless of confirmation bias.  The culture wars are dragging you into its beast mouth.  It already has blackdog by the jugular.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #302 on: January 21, 2022, 03:50:59 pm »


Ok sometimes he doesn't clean his rooms.  Does this make the advice any less correct or useful?

I can argue murder is wrong and then kill 5 people, does that mean my argument is any less correct?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #303 on: January 21, 2022, 04:00:38 pm »
Ok he's saying he probably has an allergy to sulphites.  What is your point?

Sulphite allergies can cause sneezing, hives or, in extreme case, anaphylaxis. They don't render you incapable of sleep for an entire month.

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So a woman who wears lipstick to make her lips appear redder as occurs during sexual arousal and wears high heels to make her calves tighter and lengthens the lines on her feet to appear like she's tip-toeing isn't trying to look sexually attractive?  Why doesn't she just wear a loose dress and some flat shoes to work? We all know the answer.

If you genuinely think women in your office are wearing heels and make up and not mumus and clogs because they want to to make you **** and not because those are part of society's standard for professional attire, HR should really keep an eye on you.

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So your point is that he's human?  Ok.  Let's assume he's a total hypocrite and can't follow any of his own advice.  So what? Does that mean his advice is not good advice?

Yes. Remember one of his rules is you can't criticize or try and change the world until you have your own house in order, yet he was going around railing against cultural marxism and wokeness and his other various bugbears all while high as a kite. He's full of ****.

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Why do I (or you) care about what he does in his personal life, other than using them as ad hominems?  Do you have anything to say about his actual arguments, especially with the his psychological advice, or do you want to continue with the personal attacks and character assassinations and myriad of other ad hominems that are totally menaingless?  It's quite resentful and petty to be honest.

I've already said his "advice" is stuff they teach learn in kindergarten. How is any of this new to anyone?

Also you keep crying "ad hominem" when his personal life (in this case, his abject failure to practice what he preaches) is totally relevant. It's also funny given that he's such a **** creep.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #304 on: January 21, 2022, 04:02:15 pm »
LOL what???

No, he's saying if radicals keep pushing dumb **** onto people then the other radicals (the ones with a lot of guns) will start getting fed up and push back with violence.  See:  Rittenhouse,

This is no different than saying a woman who walks around in a short skirt is going to get r*ped and the implication is that the victims are at fault.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #305 on: January 21, 2022, 04:07:10 pm »
If I had a dollar for every time you take something someone says or writes and repeat it back as a completely fabricated lie of its former self based on what you want to hear rather than what was said...

Cite?

Examples?

This is a totally inaccurate summary of his argument.  Please improve your reading and auditory comprehension.  You and Michael are literally every twitter bully.  Please keep tweeting your #fakenews to help further the erosion of society.  Unbelievable. I'm having a discussion with a couple of 3 year-olds.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #306 on: January 21, 2022, 04:07:46 pm »
Ok sometimes he doesn't clean his rooms.  Does this make the advice any less correct or useful?

I can argue murder is wrong and then kill 5 people, does that mean my argument is any less correct?

Are you familiar with the term "credibility"?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #307 on: January 21, 2022, 04:46:37 pm »
Also, I think it would be useful to take the critical thinking skills you use to disarm #angertainment by rightwing rags like the National Post and apply them equally to people schilling the same thing on the left, like blackdog is doing and apparently yourself as well.

Hey man, I fully admit having Trump derangement syndrome and Peterson drangement syndrome.. doesn't mean my criticisms aren't valid. How often do you see me totally lambasting somebody on here?  That's personal...

Sorry but I too am human.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #308 on: January 21, 2022, 07:35:20 pm »
Sulphite allergies can cause sneezing, hives or, in extreme case, anaphylaxis. They don't render you incapable of sleep for an entire month.

Ok you're a doctor now.

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If you genuinely think women in your office are wearing heels and make up and not mumus and clogs because they want to to make you **** and not because those are part of society's standard for professional attire, HR should really keep an eye on you.

Well no, but I don't think feelings of sexual attraction automatically go away when you step through the office door, which was his point.  And he also states that men and women working together in the workplace is also a relatively new phenomena that has only been widespread the last 30-40 years, so we're still trying to figure this out amongst ourselves.

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Yes. Remember one of his rules is you can't criticize or try and change the world until you have your own house in order, yet he was going around railing against cultural marxism and wokeness and his other various bugbears all while high as a kite. He's full of ****.

This is the 1 rule I don't quite agree with.  Arguments are valid or not valid based on their merit and not on the experience of the one making them.

On the other hand, what he is saying with this rule is that there are some people who want to change the entire structure of society, government, the economy etc and think they know what's best for everyone else when they don't even have any of their own s**t together and don't even know how to run their own house, let alone a society.  So he's not entirely wrong on that.  If your argument that Peterson can be put in this category well sure, he's not perfect and i don't agree with everything he says, and therefore should not run society which is why we have democracy rather than dictatorship.  We are all flawed, to various degrees.  The collective consensus is better at deciding things that 1 person.

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I've already said his "advice" is stuff they teach learn in kindergarten. How is any of this new to anyone?

Why is everyone desperate for this advice then?  These are basic rules of thumb society has abandoned because society thinks holding people's hands and wrapping them in bubble-wrap is the compassionate and most useful way to help people.  His basic philosophy is:  stop coddling yourself and others, take responsibility for your life and your actions.  He's 100% correct, even if he always doesn't follow these rules himself, but he should follow them.

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Also you keep crying "ad hominem" when his personal life (in this case, his abject failure to practice what he preaches) is totally relevant.

Why is it relevant if it's still good advice?  Let's pretend he's a **** serial killer.  His advice is still good.  The Cosby Show was still funny despite Cosby being a rapist.  MLK was still correct on so many points despite sleeping around on his wife.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #309 on: January 21, 2022, 07:38:35 pm »
Are you familiar with the term "credibility"?

Are you?

He never said he allows follows all of his rules all of the time.  It's easier to give good advice than to follow it yourself.

Again, let's just assume he's a mass rapist **** murderer who doesn't clean his room and is coked out on meth.  So what?  I never said we should build statues of the man, i'm saying he has valuable things to say.  If you would open your ears for 2 seconds maybe you'd hear them.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #310 on: January 21, 2022, 07:41:57 pm »
Hey man, I fully admit having Trump derangement syndrome and Peterson drangement syndrome.. doesn't mean my criticisms aren't valid. How often do you see me totally lambasting somebody on here?  That's personal...

Sorry but I too am human.

You get credit for admitting it.  It takes a man to admit when they have erred.  Our pride gets in the way too much (see: Trump).   I too am not anywhere close to flawless on here.  Ok so we have established that neither of us are Donald Trump, this is progress lol.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #311 on: January 21, 2022, 07:53:02 pm »
Coked out on meth?


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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #313 on: January 22, 2022, 07:35:17 am »
1. I'm starting to doubt this.  C'mon Michael.
3. Ok thank you i would appreciate that.  But seriously, do you not see the blatant mischaracterizations blackdog is peddling?  They are either purposefully lying, or they have cognitive issues, or they have a legit mental illness, and I suspect its #1.  Use your own standards regardless of confirmation bias.  The culture wars are dragging you into its beast mouth.  It already has blackdog by the jugular.

I'm not reading all the posts on he the the thread.... I will try to pay attention

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #314 on: January 22, 2022, 08:06:58 am »
Yes, this.  Also him spouting off on things he knows nothing about, like Marxism, climate change, sociology, economics etc.
It's not necessarily that he doesn't know about these things, admittedly. I'm sure he's aware of them. It's that he used his institutional and professional credibility to talk about subjects he's not an expert in as though he was. People who agree with his mind-numbing drivel love to point out how he's a professor and an expert without actually knowing what his expertise is in or how far out of his element he actually is. It's like bringing your car to a dentist for eye exam when listening to him talk about those other subjects. Yet folks will say, "but he's a doctor" as if it has any relevance in the domains he speaks on. Further still, he's just giving commentary on these topics opinions. His bullshit isn't academically rigorous at all, which is why publishes popular media and not actual studies about the nonsense he's on about.
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