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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #165 on: March 09, 2021, 06:31:20 pm »
Isn't the fact that Peterson loves the term an indication that he might not be the brain genius he's advertised as?

He's a good psychologist but in his political commentary he has no expertise so he's just a guy with opinions.
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« Reply #166 on: March 09, 2021, 08:22:01 pm »
He's a good psychologist but in his political commentary he has no expertise so he's just a guy with opinions.
opinions that he tries to peddle as expertise.
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« Reply #167 on: March 10, 2021, 10:11:46 am »
He's a good psychologist but in his political commentary he has no expertise so he's just a guy with opinions.

Again, he's not famous for his clinical practice.

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« Reply #168 on: March 10, 2021, 01:48:28 pm »
opinions that he tries to peddle as expertise.

In what way?  By going on tv shows and giving his opinion?
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« Reply #169 on: March 10, 2021, 02:17:13 pm »
In what way?  By going on tv shows and giving his opinion?

While claiming expertise he doesn't have (like in that BBC interview when he claimed to be an evolutionary biologist).

****, even his cultural Marxism rigamarole is outside of his wheelhouse as a clinical psychologist.
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« Reply #170 on: March 10, 2021, 02:20:39 pm »
While claiming expertise he doesn't have (like in that BBC interview when he claimed to be an evolutionary biologist).

****, even his cultural Marxism rigamarole is outside of his wheelhouse as a clinical psychologist.

What about Philosophy ?  He comments on Nietzsche and at least once I recall him adding "and that's good" after Peterson blessed Nietzsche with his approval of a piece.... JFC
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« Reply #171 on: March 10, 2021, 02:29:19 pm »
You actually don’t need letters behind your name to give an opinion on something.   The opinion will rise or fall on its own merits. 

However, Petersen’s arguments often fail (the whole cultural Marxism mislabeling), are often word salad nonsense (his views on religion) and he demonstrates a severe lack of critical thinking (the all-meat diet fiasco).
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« Reply #172 on: March 10, 2021, 02:32:37 pm »
However, Petersen’s arguments often fail (the whole cultural Marxism mislabeling), are often word salad nonsense (his views on religion) and he demonstrates a severe lack of critical thinking (the all-meat diet fiasco).

I agree and I find it shocking.  When you pair it with the uncritical support of people who don't know the conventions of academic rigour it becomes annoying. 

It's all annoying, because there are plenty of smart people who like him because he offers self-help to the lost, too.  So his flock, and his body of work, and people who tolerate him and who think he's ok is a mish-mash... he's .... nothing.  Just the outline of what a public intellectual could be if he had broad appeal, and was careful with his words and thinking.

Just a shame. 


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« Reply #173 on: March 10, 2021, 02:41:23 pm »
You actually don’t need letters behind your name to give an opinion on something.   The opinion will rise or fall on its own merits. 

However, Petersen’s arguments often fail (the whole cultural Marxism mislabeling), are often word salad nonsense (his views on religion) and he demonstrates a severe lack of critical thinking (the all-meat diet fiasco).

You do, however, need to be an evolutionary biologist if you claim to be evolutionary biologist.


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« Reply #174 on: March 10, 2021, 02:45:51 pm »
You do, however, need to be an evolutionary biologist if you claim to be evolutionary biologist.

I think so too....   but I don’t tend to hold it against someone when they mis-speak, which is likely what happened. 

Especially if one is on the pills and eating an all meat diet. 
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« Reply #175 on: March 10, 2021, 02:54:00 pm »
I agree and I find it shocking.  When you pair it with the uncritical support of people who don't know the conventions of academic rigour it becomes annoying. 

It's all annoying, because there are plenty of smart people who like him because he offers self-help to the lost, too.  So his flock, and his body of work, and people who tolerate him and who think he's ok is a mish-mash... he's .... nothing.  Just the outline of what a public intellectual could be if he had broad appeal, and was careful with his words and thinking.

Just a shame.

He should be more careful with his words, I agree.  I don't understand the meat diet bashing, his health problems were due to prescription benzo withdrawal reaction.  This is another case of those who don't like him seeking to discredit him by any means they can, even if spreading lies.

It's also interesting to compare him to another public intellectual like Noam Chomsky.  Chomsky's academic expertise is linguistics, yet he's more known for his political commentary.  I think Chomsky is just a guy who is very well read and keeps informed on the news.
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« Reply #176 on: March 10, 2021, 02:57:29 pm »
1. I don't understand the meat diet bashing, his health problems were due to prescription benzo withdrawal reaction.

2. It's also interesting to compare him to another public intellectual like Noam Chomsky.  Chomsky's academic expertise is linguistics, yet he's more known for his political commentary.  I think Chomsky is just a guy who is very well read and keeps informed on the news.
1. He's kind of a ridiculous figure, and unfortunately people are bashing him when he is down in every way.  I will admit to ridiculing his voice.
2. Chomsky would never have been a shadow of what Peterson's potential is.  He could have been a cross between Dr. Phil and a public intellectual... if he were smarter, more empathetic, more careful with words etc.

They would love to have somebody like that to put on TV.  Chomsky can't get arrested.  Another one I really like is Dr. Richard Wolff... a friendly, avuncular Marxist...

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« Reply #177 on: March 10, 2021, 03:01:41 pm »
Hey i just learned Peterson has a BA in political science LOL.
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« Reply #178 on: March 10, 2021, 03:12:03 pm »
Hey i just learned Peterson has a BA in political science LOL.

Nothing for therapy ?  I think you used to be able to call yourself a therapist without credentials.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #179 on: March 12, 2021, 09:59:15 am »
You actually don’t need letters behind your name to give an opinion on something.
I agree with you but come on, man. Clearly he's using his role as an academic to promote himself and try to give his opinions more weight. If he was just giving personal opinions and not throwing his profession around, we wouldn't even know him as a university professor or clinical psychologist. How many times have you heard his profession mentioned, yet we never see any of his peer-reviewed academic work referenced. It's asinine, honestly.