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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2021, 11:10:53 pm »
Jordan now has 2 books in the top 10 best sellers on Amazon.ca.

His books aren't political, they're essentially basic psychology self-help books about life.  I heard someone say that Jordan is like a father-figure for people who didn't have a strong father figure growing up, which I think is a big part of his appeal.  He says things people need to hear about psychology and life, things that a compassionate mother or female teacher sometimes may not say, and people need to hear these things, especially men.

His political opinions people can easily disagree on and I get people who don't like him for that.  But to see the millions he's helped as a popular psychologist and to deny that work and appeal I think is either inhuman or someone just doesn't understand it.
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« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2021, 04:46:55 am »
I'm all for self-help.

Stephen Covey changed my life, but his system was a little more strategic than Peterson's 12 rules.

And also, I don't agree that you have to be perfect before criticizing.  That rule, and the one about precise language are ones Peterson himself doesn't follow.

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« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2021, 06:40:40 am »
Because that's what we need from academics, father figures who tell people what the need to hear.  ::)
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« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2021, 08:51:18 am »
Because that's what we need from academics, father figures who tell people what the need to hear.  ::)

Richard Wolff not included in this exhortation.... check him out

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2021, 10:35:28 am »
Jordan now has 2 books in the top 10 best sellers on Amazon.ca.

His books aren't political, they're essentially basic psychology self-help books about life.  I heard someone say that Jordan is like a father-figure for people who didn't have a strong father figure growing up, which I think is a big part of his appeal.  He says things people need to hear about psychology and life, things that a compassionate mother or female teacher sometimes may not say, and people need to hear these things, especially men.

His political opinions people can easily disagree on and I get people who don't like him for that.  But to see the millions he's helped as a popular psychologist and to deny that work and appeal I think is either inhuman or someone just doesn't understand it.

If it wasn't for his political opinions, no one would know who this doofus is and his book would be just another self help tome in the bargain bin at Indigo.

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« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2021, 11:01:14 am »
If it wasn't for his political opinions, no one would know who this doofus is and his book would be just another self help tome in the bargain bin at Indigo.
It's embarrassing **** coming from an academic.

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« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2021, 11:23:49 am »
It's embarrassing **** coming from an academic.

The best part of his whole schtick is how he rails against postmodernism without apparently having the slightest understanding of what it is.

Actually, scratch that: the best part is the time he claimed to have had a sip of apple juice and fallen into a month long depression as a result.
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« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2021, 11:45:15 am »
No idea about postmodernism, no idea what Marxist theory is, no idea about a lot of things other than the perfume of his own farts.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2021, 12:51:54 pm »
1. The best part of his whole schtick is how he rails against postmodernism without apparently having the slightest understanding of what it is.

2. ... the best part is the time he claimed to have had a sip of apple juice and fallen into a month long depression as a result.

1. Zizek joshing with him, then putting him on the hook for this bit of imbicilitry during their debate, then letting him off the hook was perfect.  Like a Slovenian cat playing with a mouse

2.  ???

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2021, 01:01:21 pm »
Because that's what we need from academics, father figures who tell people what the need to hear.  ::)

He's a clinical psychologist with many decades of practice helping people in counseling sessions helping solve their real-world problems, this isn't just theory.  There's no reason he can't put some of that advice into book form instead of having to pay $200 a session for private counseling.

What kind of book targeted at a mass audience would you like a clinical psychologist to write?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #100 on: March 05, 2021, 01:04:40 pm »
I know very well who Jordan Peterson is and I also know that he's someone who steps far outside his area of expertise on a regular basis.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #101 on: March 05, 2021, 01:06:42 pm »
I'm all for self-help.

Stephen Covey changed my life, but his system was a little more strategic than Peterson's 12 rules.

And also, I don't agree that you have to be perfect before criticizing.  That rule, and the one about precise language are ones Peterson himself doesn't follow.

I agree with you.

But I think his point is also that it's hard to preach about how the world should be run when you're a 20 y/o student who still lives with your parents and haven't accomplished anything.  I mean when I was 20 I had all the answers but I really didn't know much about the world other than what I read in a book, so my grand ideas for saving the world at the time were pretty naive.

But as you say, people should still have a voice and be free to speak out.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #102 on: March 05, 2021, 01:08:02 pm »
If it wasn't for his political opinions, no one would know who this doofus is and his book would be just another self help tome in the bargain bin at Indigo.

Yes I agree, the political opinions made him famous.  But I think we can distinguish between his politics (nobody agrees on politics) vs his academic work and PhD practice.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #103 on: March 05, 2021, 01:10:21 pm »
Yes I agree, the political opinions made him famous.  But I think we can distinguish between his politics (nobody agrees on politics) vs his academic work and PhD practice.
His self-help book isn't academic work. That's been my point here.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2021, 01:11:40 pm »
The best part of his whole schtick is how he rails against postmodernism without apparently having the slightest understanding of what it is.

I disagree with that.  Postmodernism is the underpinning of modern critical theory (modern identity politics, intersectionalism) etc.

But I'm not trying to discuss his politics, which are obviously divisive.  My point is on his self-help and psychological work, which is what he's actually trained in as an academic.
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