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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #600 on: December 11, 2022, 08:14:36 pm »
At 12:35 another example of why Peterson is a fraud.

Saying someone is "a fraud" is just an attempt to just throw out all his arguments entirely so you don't have to deal with them, because you don't like them due to ideological differences.  People don't argue based on reputation, which would be an ad hominem (who makes an argument is completely irrelevant to the merits of an argument itself), they argue based on a thesis and evidence supporting it.  His claim about nature and Marx has weak evidence I agree because it was disproven by the guy who made the video.  So that is one argument out of many that JP has made over the last several years.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #601 on: December 12, 2022, 05:37:12 am »
Saying someone is "a fraud" is just an attempt to just throw out all his arguments entirely so you don't have to deal with them, because you don't like them due to ideological differences.  People don't argue based on reputation, which would be an ad hominem (who makes an argument is completely irrelevant to the merits of an argument itself), they argue based on a thesis and evidence supporting it.  His claim about nature and Marx has weak evidence I agree because it was disproven by the guy who made the video.  So that is one argument out of many that JP has made over the last several years.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

I don't know what his ideology is. This is just another example of him not doing the basic work that anyone would make when presenting an argument, let alone an academic, let alone an arrogant one who is under the spotlight.

Anyone who likes and defends him seems to me to want traditional morality to come back.  I get it.  But to do that we will need someone better than him.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #602 on: December 12, 2022, 10:01:45 am »
Saying someone is "a fraud" is just an attempt to just throw out all his arguments entirely so you don't have to deal with them, because you don't like them due to ideological differences. 

No, he's a fraud because he presents himself as an expert on subjects far outside his bailiwick and, more often than not, gets **** wrong.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #603 on: December 12, 2022, 10:29:47 am »
No, he's a fraud because he can't do the basics of being an academic.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #604 on: December 13, 2022, 12:02:40 pm »
Wh..why would he say this?


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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #605 on: December 13, 2022, 12:18:50 pm »
No, he's a fraud because he can't do the basics of being an academic.
I think you mean Dr. Fauci.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #606 on: December 13, 2022, 12:51:38 pm »
I think you mean Dr. Fauci.

Fauci isn't an academic, he does things, ie. enacts national public policy.

To be clear I am in favour of whataboutism, absolutely, but you need to compare apples to apples and not apples to goat testicles.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #607 on: December 13, 2022, 12:52:06 pm »
Seems like he's replaced benzos with Twitter as his drug of choice. As of this writing he put out 65 tweets and retweets in the last 24 hours (on top of the time he spent searching for CSA content), mostly climate change denialism, trans panic stuff and Elmo Musk dickriding. He's well and truly off his rocker.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #608 on: December 13, 2022, 01:18:01 pm »
Fauci isn't an academic, he does things, ie. enacts national public policy.

To be clear I am in favour of whataboutism, absolutely, but you need to compare apples to apples and not apples to goat testicles.
I'm not so sure, remember when Fauci claimed that he WAS science!  Imagine if Peterson said something like that, you guys would lose your sh*t.
Regardless, Peterson isn't leftwing enough to be allowed in academia anymore.  You'll often find quite quirky and odd academic types, much like Peterson, but unfortunately conservatives are being completely pushed out.  It's the only place where diversity doesn't matter at all. 
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #609 on: December 13, 2022, 01:26:28 pm »
1. I'm not so sure, remember when Fauci claimed that he WAS science! 
2. Imagine if Peterson said something like that, you guys would lose your sh*t.
3. Regardless, Peterson isn't leftwing enough to be allowed in academia anymore. 
4. You'll often find quite quirky and odd academic types, much like Peterson, but unfortunately conservatives are being completely pushed out.  It's the only place where diversity doesn't matter at all.
1. Sounds like a boneheaded statement.  Luckily we already know that he's smart so that's excusable.
2. Well, I kind of would because he's a therapist and a shitty academic.  And speaking of losing my ****, I have done so ... on this thread ... because it's not just making a dumb offhanded statement, it's not knowing how to research ideas and form a solid thesis.  Which usually gets you failed out of first year.  Do you get now why I think he's outside the bounds of 'excusable' with his statements ?  Nothing to do with the content.
3. Well, you are sort of right I suppose.  They paid him off, though, because he saw manna in Patreon and right-wing podcast radio.
4. I don't believe this is true but I also have no evidence to support my suspicions.

If you want somebody who does Peterson, but does it right, go for Sam Harris.  He's hated by left and right (because he's not PC about Islam but also because he rightly thinks Trump is a combination ****-threat) and puts together a considerable defense of his ideas.
 

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #610 on: December 13, 2022, 01:26:47 pm »
I'm not so sure, remember when Fauci claimed that he WAS science!
You totally misunderstoodm but I'm not surprised. He said attacks on him are attacks on science, which is true. This is because he represented the predominant scientific thinking for the course of action at that time.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #611 on: December 13, 2022, 02:54:05 pm »
I'm not so sure, remember when Fauci claimed that he WAS science!  Imagine if Peterson said something like that, you guys would lose your sh*t.
Regardless, Peterson isn't leftwing enough to be allowed in academia anymore. You'll often find quite quirky and odd academic types, much like Peterson, but unfortunately conservatives are being completely pushed out. It's the only place where diversity doesn't matter at all.

Peterson isn't odd or quirky, he's a mentally ill drug addict.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #612 on: December 13, 2022, 02:58:36 pm »
Peterson isn't odd or quirky, he's a mentally ill drug addict.

Excuses.  He was an academic failure before that all happened.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #613 on: December 13, 2022, 03:07:03 pm »
Excuses.  He was an academic failure before that all happened.

Chicken<->egg
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #614 on: December 13, 2022, 03:15:59 pm »
Excuses.  He was an academic failure before that all happened.
Just because you don't like his politics doesn't make him an academic failure.  He was a professor.  He taught a class.  That's not being a failure anymore than Justin Trudeau is an academic failure teaching his drama class.