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Offline kimmy

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #510 on: September 29, 2022, 10:23:58 pm »
I think that I found some new terms I hate:
incel
Goes with woke and terf.

I think that terms that group people based on a single opinion they have aren't useful.

Single use slags... No no no...

Strong disagree on this, Michael.

"woke", "terf", and "incel"  are much like "communist", "socialist", or "fascist". They are terms that are flung around indiscriminately as pejoratives by people who don't know or care about their actual meanings, but they are also terms that do have a real meaning. The fact that they're frequently used by people who aren't aware of their meaning doesn't mean that these terms don't have a real meaning.

Mouthbreathers frequently say "that's socialism!" or "that's communism!" or "that's fascism!" to describe literally any political proposal that they disagree with. But socialism, communism, and fascism are still terms that do describe actual philosophies.

"Terf" is widely used as a synonym for "transphobic woman", but it actually stands for "trans-exclusive radical feminist". There are plenty of transphobes whose views have nothing to do with radical feminism; describing every transphobic woman as a terf is simply inaccurate.

"woke" is widely used as as a pejorative to describe progressives, but "woke" is a philosophy of its own that frequently diverges from progressive ideas. (that's a topic for another thread).

And "incel" might be used as a slang to describe any guy who isn't getting female attention, but it's a term that refers to a specific community with a specific ideology.  Incels have their own online forums, their own identifiable beliefs, and are considered by safety and security analysts to be a radicalized community. Alek Minassian (the Toronto van attack guy) explicitly cited incel ideology as his motive. Incels have killed more people in North America in recent years than Muslim terrorists. Minassian, Elliot Rodgers, and the Atlanta massage parlor attacks are three well-known examples of mass murder motivated by incel ideology.

To dismiss "incel" as "siingle use slang" is to bury your head in the sand.


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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #511 on: September 30, 2022, 09:39:44 am »
It's not useful though, is my point.  I don't disagree much with what you posted but I still don't see why unclear terms that are sometimes pejorative are useful in politics.

They're useful to generate outrage.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #512 on: October 03, 2022, 02:55:54 pm »
Peterson knows so much... about WAR too !

https://youtu.be/BnxxELn00gk?t=25

He is so smart !!!

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #513 on: October 03, 2022, 02:57:10 pm »
"Naive" to think Russians will lose...


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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #514 on: October 03, 2022, 03:59:41 pm »
"Naive" to think Russians will lose...

Well yeah…. he’s right.  Depending on how you want to define “losing”. 

Did Canada (and friends) lose the war in Afghanistan?   Not really.  But, in the grand scheme, yeah, Canada lost in that it didn’t meet its objectives. 

Russia will withdraw eventually….   they’ll probably take some land with them…. But “lose”?   Nah. 

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« Reply #515 on: October 03, 2022, 04:36:48 pm »
Well yeah…. he’s right.  Depending on how you want to define “losing”. 

Did Canada (and friends) lose the war in Afghanistan?   Not really.  But, in the grand scheme, yeah, Canada lost in that it didn’t meet its objectives. 

Russia will withdraw eventually….   they’ll probably take some land with them…. But “lose”?   Nah.

Yes, the west lost in Afghanistan. The point of the war was to overthrow the Taliban and bring some kind of democracy to the place. They're still in charge, we are gone.

As for Russia, failing to meet their military objectives, losing thousands of troops and billions of dollars of equipment and being exposed as a paper tiger for all the world to see is losing by any reasonable definition of the word.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #517 on: October 19, 2022, 06:28:44 pm »
What do you mean by "any"?  What do you mean by "words"?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #518 on: October 20, 2022, 11:25:04 am »
Jordan Peterson doesn't know what any words mean.

Holy sh!t, that was painful.  I can’t believe people like Graham still think this guy is some sort of intellectual with intelligent things to say.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #519 on: October 20, 2022, 01:29:36 pm »
Holy sh!t, that was painful.  I can’t believe people like Graham still think this guy is some sort of intellectual with intelligent things to say.

Intellectual heft of a freshman at 3 a.m. after six shots of Fireball, five White Claws and multiple bong rips.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #520 on: October 21, 2022, 01:11:51 pm »
Holy sh!t, that was painful.  I can’t believe people like Graham still think this guy is some sort of intellectual with intelligent things to say.

Maybe ?  Or maybe he's just badly representing the philosophy around the limitations of language etc.

I'm not really one to defend him but he's at least acting like an academic here.

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« Reply #521 on: October 21, 2022, 01:24:30 pm »
Maybe ?  Or maybe he's just badly representing the philosophy around the limitations of language etc.

I'm not really one to defend him but he's at least acting like an academic here.

"The reality of the concepts of you're questioning...are just as questionable as what you're questioning."

That sounds like post-modernism to me.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #522 on: October 21, 2022, 01:30:30 pm »
The clip is so out of context we don't even know what they're discussing that it's not even worth commenting, except for those that like taking things out of context for a drive-by.  So carry on!
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #523 on: October 21, 2022, 01:34:54 pm »
"The reality of the concepts of you're questioning...are just as questionable as what you're questioning."

That sounds like post-modernism to me.

I think some modernist philosophers were already there about the inexactitude of language.  Post Modernism went further that's all.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #524 on: October 21, 2022, 03:14:48 pm »
The clip is so out of context we don't even know what they're discussing that it's not even worth commenting, except for those that like taking things out of context for a drive-by.  So carry on!

What context do you need there that would make that less nonsensical?
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