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Offline Queen LaQueefa

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #495 on: July 11, 2022, 11:29:39 pm »
Where do the universal morals come from?

A sense of justice that traverses time and space?

There's lot of things that are morally relative though, but others that are true across cultures.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #496 on: July 12, 2022, 10:16:17 am »
Yes.

If nothing is true than everything can be permitted. Sexually molesting young children, for example, is universally wrong.  Raping disabled or elderly people?  Also universally wrong.

This is demonstrably untrue. Ancient Greece and Rome had their catamites, bacha bazi has been a cultural practice in Afghanistan for centuries, child marriage was a universal norm for centuries even in western cultures until relatively recently. This is evidence that universal values do not exist.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #497 on: July 12, 2022, 10:46:39 am »
A sense of justice that traverses time and space?


This is nonsensical.  How does a “sense”, which is in a human’s brain, traverse time and space?

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #498 on: July 12, 2022, 09:40:55 pm »
This is demonstrably untrue. Ancient Greece and Rome had their catamites, bacha bazi has been a cultural practice in Afghanistan for centuries, child marriage was a universal norm for centuries even in western cultures until relatively recently. This is evidence that universal values do not exist.

Just because something exists in a culture doesn't mean it's generally accepted as "just" in that society..  Bacha bazi is a terrible example.  That's like saying westerners think pedophilia is ok because a lot of priests have done it, or prostitution etc.  Some practices exist only because people with power are able to get away with them, not because they are inherently morally just or even considered just by that society.

If you were a Canadian rep for the UN would you be ok with bacha bazi because "moral relativism"?
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #499 on: July 13, 2022, 10:25:31 am »
Just because something exists in a culture doesn't mean it's generally accepted as "just" in that society..  Bacha bazi is a terrible example.  That's like saying westerners think pedophilia is ok because a lot of priests have done it, or prostitution etc.  Some practices exist only because people with power are able to get away with them, not because they are inherently morally just or even considered just by that society.

If you were a Canadian rep for the UN would you be ok with bacha bazi because "moral relativism"?


Moral relativism doesn't assert there's no such thing as right and wrong, only that what we consider right and wrong is shaped by specific social and cultural forces. And the abscence of universal ideas of right and wrong doesn't preclude making moral judgments.

As someone who has argued against tearing down statues of John A McDonald, I think you understand moral relativism better than you pretend to.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #500 on: July 13, 2022, 05:12:35 pm »
This is nonsensical.  How does a “sense”, which is in a human’s brain, traverse time and space?

Nothing? 

I thought it might be interesting, but I guess it was another vapid comment from Graham. Is he just parroting Peterson?

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #501 on: July 14, 2022, 11:43:55 am »
This is also why i'm ok with discussing any topic whatsoever., in the pursuit of knowledge  I may disagree with a biological racist or a holocaust denier, but if they claim to have good evidence of why they're correct, then we shouldn't mind hearing the evidence.  If they are wrong then the evidence will clearly counter their claims, which can then be ignored.  There should be no ideas that are elevated to the level of "dogma".

Doesn't believe in moral relativism, but also doesn't apparently believe in facts.