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Offline MH

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #225 on: July 25, 2021, 05:02:08 am »
Well it sounds like someone made a mistake then.

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« Reply #226 on: August 07, 2021, 02:35:53 am »
What is the point of discussing social and cultural matters ?  To come to a mutual understanding... to move past these things.. it is NOT to define entrenched camps that can snipe and each other back and forth.

I think the point of discussion is to give your take and subject it to criticism from others so that you can refine your opinions and come to the best possible solutions to problems.  There will never be mutual understanding, that's why we have different political parties etc, and sometimes the majority is just plain wrong.  The # of people who agree with something has nothing to do with its rightness or wrongness.  But we all have a duty to obey the laws ie: the will of the majority, and use democratic means to try and change laws we disagree with, because the alternative is chaos.  The very foundation of our society is build on this.
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« Reply #227 on: August 07, 2021, 02:52:14 am »
It's not even that.  The millennial generation have been poorly served by our system.  They will not abide by anything that the older generation holds precious.

I don't think its generational.  Most people since the early 1980's have been effed by the system, by deregulation and whatnot.  Middle aged people have a crisis of deaths of despair.  Drugs, suicide etc. due to lost jobs and whatnot, the 2008 recession which took their homes away too.  The wealthy and corrupt are winning.  The system is corrupt and broken, the wolves have control of it.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #228 on: August 07, 2021, 08:18:04 am »
I don't think its generational.  Most people since the early 1980's have been effed by the system, by deregulation and whatnot.  Middle aged people have a crisis of deaths of despair.  Drugs, suicide etc. due to lost jobs and whatnot, the 2008 recession which took their homes away too.  The wealthy and corrupt are winning.  The system is corrupt and broken, the wolves have control of it.

I'm sorry but SOMEBODY is winning.  All the stats I have seen say boomers are winning, gen x are treating water and millennials are losing, on the whole.  Anybody who owns a home in Canada has huge gains, if on paper.

1. I think the point of discussion is to give your take and subject it to criticism from others so that you can refine your opinions and come to the best possible solutions to problems. 

2. There will never be mutual understanding, that's why we have different political parties etc, and sometimes the majority is just plain wrong. 

3. The # of people who agree with something has nothing to do with its rightness or wrongness.  But we all have a duty to obey the laws ie: the will of the majority, and use democratic means to try and change laws we disagree with, because the alternative is chaos.  The very foundation of our society is build on this.
1. Exactly right.  That's an exchange of ideas and our social cohesion and governance depends on it.  With the disinformation and extreme social media posts pulling us apart we need this more than ever. This is why Peterson is the wrong man at the wrong time.
2. Agreed.
3. Agreed.

So where are we, then ?  All of these things you say we need, and I agree, are needed more than ever.  In steps a guy who could help.  Instead he just engages in finger-pointing amid a bunch of flawed logic, and aligns with disreputable agents (The Rebel) to cash in.  He moralizes in the classic preacher style, while hiding his own flaws.  When I ask people to defend him, they indicate his self-help rhetoric has helped people.  Ok, then.



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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #229 on: August 07, 2021, 10:03:03 am »
I'm sorry but SOMEBODY is winning.  All the stats I have seen say boomers are winning, gen x are treating water and millennials are losing, on the whole.  Anybody who owns a home in Canada has huge gains, if on paper..

How does a boomer win in housing? Any time they move they'd still have to live somewhere and buy a home.  When your property value rises so does your property taxes.  The winners here are the banks and real estate developers. They're the ones lobbying governments at all levels and throwing money at them to do what they want.  If property taxes are going up then the politicians are winning too.
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« Reply #230 on: August 07, 2021, 10:13:54 am »
How does a boomer win in housing? Any time they move they'd still have to live somewhere and buy a home.  When your property value rises so does your property taxes.  The winners here are the banks and real estate developers. They're the ones lobbying governments at all levels and throwing money at them to do what they want.  If property taxes are going up then the politicians are winning too.

I have a boomer pal.  No savings.  Selling the Toronto home for $2M.  Moving to Elliott Lake.  No savings until now.  He won.

Real estate agents, flippers, and renovation people win.

People who sit on their home and just live won from the general economic benefits.

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« Reply #231 on: August 07, 2021, 10:14:39 am »
Back to Peterson: he's a schmoe.

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« Reply #232 on: August 07, 2021, 10:16:37 am »
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« Reply #233 on: August 07, 2021, 10:20:35 am »
Back to Peterson: he's a schmoe.

He's selling poison and the cure for cancer.  Is he a schmoe for selling poison,  or a hero for selling his own cure for cancer?

I guess that makes him both. The solution: don't buy the poison, buy the cure for cancer.
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« Reply #234 on: August 07, 2021, 11:29:23 am »
He's selling poison and the cure for cancer.  Is he a schmoe for selling poison,  or a hero for selling his own cure for cancer?

I guess that makes him both. The solution: don't buy the poison, buy the cure for cancer.

Yes.  Schmoe to me.

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #235 on: August 07, 2021, 11:35:11 pm »
I have a boomer pal.  No savings.  Selling the Toronto home for $2M.  Moving to Elliott Lake.  No savings until now.  He won.

Real estate agents, flippers, and renovation people win.

People who sit on their home and just live won from the general economic benefits.

There’s a reason it’s called an ‘investment’. 
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