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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #195 on: March 21, 2021, 04:56:39 pm »
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I will repeat:


I get why people get angry over JP.  We NEED a voice of this tone, but to unify us and bring everyone together.  Instead, we get another toxic disappointment, a faux intellectual who charms the ignorant and - rather than unify - reinforces their chauvinism.

He can be an ass, this is undeniable.  Sometimes his arguments are wrong, and sometimes even stupid.  I refer mainly to his political arguments.  I don't in any way hold his political opinions up to be in any way flawless.  He's also not the ideal academic, because a true ideal academic would be far less political and try to be more objective.  But sometimes he says things which need to be said, and most are afraid to say it because they'll be attacked like Peterson is.  He can also lose his temper sometimes, he's a pretty intense dude even when calm.  I think when you're attacked constantly on many tv programs you appear on, which is already a stressful environment, losing one's temper becomes even more likely.  If the standard is perfection, then he isn't that at all.

I don't think his role is to be a unifier.  Sure that would be nice.  The role he has chosen is to make unapologetic arguments that are contrary to the modern mainstream liberal paradigm, which of course will make you a lot of enemies from those who buy hard into the paradigm.

He has helped millions of people with his psychology/self-help stuff, this is by far his most valuable contribution.  A lot of it is to simply grow up and take responsibility in one's life. For those that refuse to do so or enable others to not do so I guess I can see why they might not like him for that.

None of this will change the way anyone sees him, people have made up their minds.  H8ers gonna h8.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #196 on: March 21, 2021, 05:12:39 pm »
He can be an ass, this is undeniable.  Sometimes his arguments are wrong, and sometimes even stupid.  I refer mainly to his political arguments.  I don't in any way hold his political opinions up to be in any way flawless.  He's also not the ideal academic, because a true ideal academic would be far less political and try to be more objective.  But sometimes he says things which need to be said, and most are afraid to say it because they'll be attacked like Peterson is.  He can also lose his temper sometimes, he's a pretty intense dude even when calm.  I think when you're attacked constantly on many tv programs you appear on, which is already a stressful environment, losing one's temper becomes even more likely.  If the standard is perfection, then he isn't that at all.

Ok.

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I don't think his role is to be a unifier.  Sure that would be nice.  The role he has chosen is to make unapologetic arguments that are contrary to the modern mainstream liberal paradigm, which of course will make you a lot of enemies from those who buy hard into the paradigm.

I'm just trying to explain why people get upset with him.

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He has helped millions of people with his psychology/self-help stuff, this is by far his most valuable contribution.  A lot of it is to simply grow up and take responsibility in one's life. For those that refuse to do so or enable others to not do so I guess I can see why they might not like him for that.

If it helps a single person then good.  It's still 'iffy' and sketchy if he doles out advice and doesn't take it.  But ok.

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None of this will change the way anyone sees him, people have made up their minds.  H8ers gonna h8.

I stand by my reason as to why h8trs h8 P8rson

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #197 on: March 21, 2021, 05:18:23 pm »
I'm just trying to explain why people get upset with him.

He's a culture warrior and it's a culture war.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #198 on: March 21, 2021, 07:25:47 pm »
He's a culture warrior and it's a culture war.

You're not getting it.

Who do the Trumpys hate more: John McCain or AOC ?  Mitt Romney or Oprah Winfrey ?

The turncoats are the ones that are hated.  Peterson is inside the fort - a U of T academic ? 

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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #199 on: March 21, 2021, 09:31:05 pm »
You're not getting it.

Who do the Trumpys hate more: John McCain or AOC ?  Mitt Romney or Oprah Winfrey ?

The turncoats are the ones that are hated.  Peterson is inside the fort - a U of T academic ?

He's hated because people don't like his politics. All the people who hate him greatly dislike his political opinions. Transphobe anti-feminist upholding the white patriarchy.  Most people use the "he's not a great academic" as a cover to discredit him because they hate him.  Most people don't give a crap about lazy academics if they're fighting on their side of the culture war.  Hence Peterson and Michael Eric Dyson are celebs and then fight when they get in a room together because they say dumb and rude things as angry sword-carrying culture warriors...and their minions get angry and pile on.

CULTURE WAR.

100% of the people who like Jordan have right or center-right leanings, and 100% of the people who hate him have left or center-left leanings.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #200 on: March 21, 2021, 10:22:30 pm »
That's weird that you read a book by someone you despise.  We all know you didn't read it and have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't need to eat s**t to know it's bad.

His self help stuff is trite and the rest of his schtick is toxic.
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Re: How about a Discussion on Jordan Peterson?
« Reply #201 on: April 02, 2021, 11:06:12 am »
Alberta's new K-6 curriculum... If you need further evidence that this is really f**ked up, it's been endorsed by the stupidest man alive.

a true reveal twitter thread... showcasing some of Peterson's finest - video lasts forevah!

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1331505661817937921