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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 08:46:51 pm »
Dishonest but not a crook? Unlike Tricky Dick who also did some worthwhile things?

Well, they were all climbers... dishonest... conniving.  Not Ike, as far as I can tell but Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon.

LBJ gave the US the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid ... and a forgotten social program called the War on Poverty.  Also Vietnam War.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 09:52:14 pm »
Well, they were all climbers... dishonest... conniving.  Not Ike, as far as I can tell but Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon.

LBJ gave the US the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid ... and a forgotten social program called the War on Poverty.  Also Vietnam War.

It was Kennedy who sent troops to Vietnam but LBJ certainly escalated into a major war.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 02:25:05 am »
Well, I don't think you get to be president/prime minister/lord high-whatever in any country without kicking a few asses along the way. By the time you get to the White House you learn how to terrify, or at least severely annoy, your enemies or political opponents.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2019, 04:42:35 pm »
It was Kennedy who sent troops to Vietnam but LBJ certainly escalated into a major war.

Yes, that's what I was referring to.

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2019, 04:44:02 pm »
  By the time you get to the White House you learn how to terrify, or at least severely annoy, your enemies or political opponents.

Oh my !  You mean Obama's drone hits on innocent 16-year old American children wasn't because he was a kind socialist ?

My oh my....

And if not, then why didn't the damn liberals get upset ?

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2019, 03:24:24 pm »
It was Kennedy who sent troops to Vietnam but LBJ certainly escalated into a major war.

Eisenhower.

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2019, 03:44:42 pm »
Oh my !  You mean Obama's drone hits on innocent 16-year old American children wasn't because he was a kind socialist ?

My oh my....

And if not, then why didn't the damn liberals get upset ?

I don't remember that. But it wouldn't surprise me.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2019, 08:01:14 pm »
It happened.

The liberals didn't make it an issue.

The conservatives were searching for Obama's Kenyan passport.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2019, 10:57:58 pm »
It happened.

The liberals didn't make it an issue.

The conservatives were searching for Obama's Kenyan passport.

Geeze, that's terrible. But can we get back to history?
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2019, 06:18:57 am »
Geeze, that's terrible. But can we get back to history?

Ah sure.

I think the most interesting parts of history are pre-1812 and even pre-revolutionary wars.  There was more of a power balance between European powers and Indian nations but it was highly volatile and violent.  I suspect we don't study it in school because it was depressingly violent and because there are no innocent parties. 

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 03:14:16 am »
I studied European history as well. I took History of the Reformation at UMBC. Some of it was actually more amusing than you'd think.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 08:44:22 am »
I studied European history as well. I took History of the Reformation at UMBC. Some of it was actually more amusing than you'd think.

I read a giant tome on WW2 that described the Soviet effort and the eastern front.  It was - my God - an order of magnitude larger than the war we know from movies.  The weird thing is that even Russians have been influenced by Hollywood and don't realize what they did in WW2.

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 10:32:19 am »
what do you mean by that?
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2019, 10:41:20 am »
what do you mean by that?

The Eastern War was many times greater and bloodier than the one on the Western Front. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths

The Soviet Union lost 40X as many people as the USA.

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2019, 10:56:56 am »
I realize that but you said that even Russians aren't aware or something like that. Doesn't their official regime propaganda discuss their war record?
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