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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2017, 06:40:19 am »
A person who says 'just report it... too bad about your career, about institutional blockers, about abuse of power standing in your way... just report it' loses the right to complain about blockers.

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« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2017, 07:56:59 am »
A person who says 'just report it... too bad about your career, about institutional blockers, about abuse of power standing in your way... just report it' loses the right to complain about blockers.

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No they don't.  I'm doing it all the time. 

I think **** is too big a crime to watch go by.  Unless there was a gun to someone's head.  You think differently.  Happy... Whatever.

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« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2017, 08:37:19 am »
No they don't.  I'm doing it all the time. 

Yeah you do.  Because you lack empathy.

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« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2017, 09:53:14 am »
In an ideal world bcsapper would be right, and making a formal complaint would always be the right thing to do. In the world we live in, making a formal complaint usually turns out like what happened to most of Bill Cosby's accusers, or the singer Kesha. 

I listened to a college professor on the radio yesterday talk about going to the proper channels after being groped by a senior colleague. She made a complaint with the faculty. "I was glad that I did come forward, so that I could see what happens... which was nothing." She found out that other female colleagues had the same kind of experience with him, but he had retired by the time she had talked to other women.  Maybe if those women had a way to communicate with each other, they could have impressed upon the faculty that the guy was a problem.

I have heard that some college sororities keep a blacklist of guys they consider date-rapists. I have seen guys' names written on walls in washrooms. Maybe if women had a way to network their experiences they could go forward together.

Maybe Hollywood women can contact Jodi Kantor and Ronan Farrow and say "Your story about Harvey Weinstein was really great. I have a story about Bob Blahblah..."  Maybe Farrow and Kantor's work on this story will make them unofficial repositories for this kind of story, and when they get enough stories about the next creep they can go forward with another expose.

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« Reply #94 on: October 18, 2017, 09:56:50 am »
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Maybe if those women had a way to communicate with each other, they could have impressed upon the faculty that the guy was a problem.

I agree.  If he's done it to one woman, he's likely done it to more.  Find those other women and then ALL go through the proper channels.  It's a lot harder to ignore several women with the same complaint against the same person, than one lone woman.
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« Reply #95 on: October 18, 2017, 06:28:21 pm »
Yeah you do.  Because you lack empathy.

I don't lack empathy.  I just think I'm right regardless of empathy. 

I don't disagree with anything you say about reporting **** in an environment like hollywood, except two things.  Death is worse than career loss, and reporting **** does not have to be totally fruitless.  He's stopped now.

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« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2017, 02:56:00 am »
reporting **** does not have to be totally fruitless.  He's stopped now.

Well, he's stopped because two reporters both put together major pieces that were too thorough and too explosive to ignore. Harvey Weinstein's downfall was, in a sense, "crowd-sourced". He wasn't brought down by any accuser, he was brought down by all of them collectively.

The idea I am interested in right now is how this could be done in the future to stop similar predators much faster than Weinstein or Cosby.

How did Farrow and Kantor locate witnesses? Do you put an ad on Craigslist or something?

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« Reply #97 on: October 19, 2017, 05:18:10 am »
  He wasn't brought down by any accuser, he was brought down by all of them collectively.

Pointing out the obvious: Thank you, social media.

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The idea I am interested in right now is how this could be done in the future to stop similar predators much faster than Weinstein or Cosby.

How did Farrow and Kantor locate witnesses? Do you put an ad on Craigslist or something?

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"Everybody knew".  The problem was not making the story, it was breaking the story.  The Ghomeshi story in Canada broke because of social media and Canadaland but still needed The Star to make it happen. 

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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2017, 05:35:42 am »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/kevin-spacey-jeremy-piven-sexual-harassment-crisis-1.4381517

+Kevin Spacey
+Jeremy Piven

This continues, but it remains to be scene if it's a real change in how people react to these assaults. 

Question: Does anyone perceive some kind of hypocrisy with liberal people NOT condemning these types ?  I DO agree that some (including Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden) took a long time to say anything (5 days) and that Hollywood in general has continued its cowardice in not being forthcoming in condemnation, across the board.

But that's not the same as regular folk liberals.  Power protects power, that's what I have seen.

Thoughts ?

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« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2017, 07:54:33 am »
Why do you think Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden need to say something? They're private citizens and completely uninvolved.

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« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2017, 04:59:03 pm »
They're associated with him.  I also think people have generally been commenting so I would expect a comment based on that.

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« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2017, 06:51:51 pm »
How are they associated? He was a donor? He had fundraising parties? This makes it of upmost importance that, now that they are private citizens, they have to make public comments about him? He was caught and he's paying the price. It has nothing to do with Hillary and Biden and bringing their names into it is nothing but a tired Republican political reflex now.

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« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2017, 08:03:56 pm »
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He had fundraising parties? This makes it of upmost importance that, now that they are private citizens, they have to make public comments about him?

Sorry, no.  They are still public figures who are watched and followed.  They will tweet out condolences or greetings, or condemnations also.  They were associated with him, so I expect they were hoping for a retraction of some kind... or something...

And no, I got this criticism of them from CNN not Fox.

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« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2017, 09:09:27 pm »
Do you think they should respond to the allegations against Kevin Spacey? Is it wrong that Donald Trump didn't tweet a condemnation of Bill O'Reilly? What does CNN think about Bernie Sanders' lack of response to the Jeremy Piven allegations?

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« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2017, 06:07:40 am »
1. Do you think they should respond to the allegations against Kevin Spacey?
2. Is it wrong that Donald Trump didn't tweet a condemnation of Bill O'Reilly?
3. What does CNN think about Bernie Sanders' lack of response to the Jeremy Piven allegations?

1. No.  The first announcement was the big one and it opened the floodgates.  Commenting on that would have been enough.
2. Yes, I think so.  But I wouldn't have expected that.
3. Piven is a minor player, so ....