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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2017, 12:10:26 pm »
This is an interview with Jodi Kantor, who co-wrote the New York Times story:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/10/jodi_kantor_on_how_she_broke_the_harvey_weinstein_story.html

A few interesting things in the interview.

One is that she was slightly aware that Ronan Farrow was working on a similar story. When she read his article in the New Yorker, she was impressed at how little overlap there is between their two articles.  She wonders how much else is out there that their two articles didn't touch on.  Could a third reporter write another article that didn't overlap on either of these two?

Both Farrow and Kantor worked on their articles for months, so it is quite remarkable that they both landed within a couple of days of each other.  I think it is actually quite fortunate that they did, because it seems to have had a complimentary effect. If these articles had come out separately, maybe it wouldn't have had the same explosive effect, maybe Weinstein could have fought the PR battle in the press, maybe it wouldn't have caused the avalanche that it did.  But with these twin bombshells dropping at the same time, it completely dominated the news in a way that made it impossible for Weinstein to counterattack.

Kantor also says that having a publisher who was willing to go to war for her was a huge help. During the election campaign, Trump threatened to sue the New York Times over their groping story. They said "bring it on".  The statute of limitations has expired and it's now too late for Trump to sue.  Could a smaller publication have taken the same risk?


Elsewhere...  Bob Weinstein, Harvey's brother, spoke out this week.  Bob "divorced" himself from Harvey years ago, and they only talk to discuss business. "I couldn't stand being around him." Bob says that he was well aware that Harvey was a prolific philanderer and cheated on his wife constantly, but didn't realize that Harvey used coercion and intimidation and even physical force on women.

Bob says that he spoke to Harvey this week, and says that Harvey is only concerned with finding out who at The Weinstein Company snitched on him.   "I don't hear concern or contrition for the victims. And I want them to hear that. Harvey has no remorse whatsoever."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/bob-weinstein-harvey-weinstein-has-no-remorse-whatsoever-w508973


Harvey, meanwhile, says "we all make mistakes", and hopes he can get "a second chance".   A pattern of behavior that spans 30 years isn't "a mistake".  And he used up his "second chance" sometime in the 1980s.



Also, last week, Rose McGowan had pretty much a public meltdown. She was rumored to be the actress who asked Ronan Farrow to remove her name from his report after Weinstein's lawyers threatened to sue her for breaking the non-disclosure agreement that was part of her hush-money settlement. Now she has apparently decided that she doesn't care if Weinstein tries to sue her, because she has gone public and she flat out says he raped her.  She has talked about being raped by a producer in the past, but never mentioned Weinstein by name before. At this point, with everything else that has happened, I think that if Weinstein does attempt to sue her for breaking their hush-money contract it would just add even more gasoline to the fire.  Probably the only thing that could make people hate Weinstein even more is if he starts suing his victims.

From McGowan's comments this week, it seems like she has been living with a lot of anger and hatred for a long time, and hopefully this will help her find some peace.

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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2017, 12:22:21 pm »
I wonder what would happen to the film industry if everyone who knew about this and did nothing was charged and went to jail if found guilty.  I wonder how many members the academy would have left if they expelled everyone who knew.
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2017, 12:37:04 pm »
I wonder what would happen to the film industry if everyone who knew about this and did nothing was charged and went to jail if found guilty.  I wonder how many members the academy would have left if they expelled everyone who knew.

A number of people have already said things similar to what Bob Weinstein said: they knew he was a prolific adulterer, but didn't realize that he attempted to coerce women into having sex with him or that he'd assaulted them.

Some of those who must have known the truth include those at The Weinstein Co that helped him lure young women to his hotel room under the guise of a business meeting, then left them alone with him. And the lawyers who wrote up the hush-money agreements.

And of course the victims also knew. But they had obvious reasons to keep quiet.  If you're Seth MacFarlane, and your friend tells you in confidence what Weinstein did to her, what would you do?

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2017, 12:45:43 pm »
A number of people have already said things similar to what Bob Weinstein said: they knew he was a prolific adulterer, but didn't realize that he attempted to coerce women into having sex with him or that he'd assaulted them.

Some of those who must have known the truth include those at The Weinstein Co that helped him lure young women to his hotel room under the guise of a business meeting, then left them alone with him. And the lawyers who wrote up the hush-money agreements.

And of course the victims also knew. But they had obvious reasons to keep quiet.  If you're Seth MacFarlane, and your friend tells you in confidence what Weinstein did to her, what would you do?

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Well, I don't know Seth McFarlane from Adam, but I would do something.  The Oscars jibe didn't cut it, that's for sure.  And why did anyone laugh?  Because they all got the joke, that's why.

What pisses me off are the A-listers.  Meryl Streep is horrified!  That means she either didn't know, or she was afraid for her career.  Yeah, right! 

Same with all the other big names that have suddenly found a conscience.
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2017, 12:54:41 pm »
Harvey sounds like a real douche.
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2017, 01:06:36 pm »
Harvey sounds like a real douche.

He does.  He also sounds like a criminal, and he should be treated as such.  Arrest, charge, fair trial and prison if found guilty.
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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2017, 02:04:12 pm »
Well, I don't know Seth McFarlane from Adam, but I would do something. 

Don't you realize that sometimes you can't?
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2017, 02:14:24 pm »
Don't you realize that sometimes you can't?

Or what?  They'll come and kill you in the middle of the night?  That might have applied to Martin Niemoller but it probably wouldn't happen in 21st century tinseltown.
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 03:01:02 pm »
Or what?  They'll come and kill you in the middle of the night?  That might have applied to Martin Niemoller but it probably wouldn't happen in 21st century tinseltown.

You can't "do" anything.  What do you think you can "do" in every situation ?

I'm in a community that accommodates volunteers and attendees at events, and we have a board that investigates complaints.  Sometimes you can't do a thing about it.

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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2017, 03:07:17 pm »
You can't "do" anything.  What do you think you can "do" in every situation ?

I'm in a community that accommodates volunteers and attendees at events, and we have a board that investigates complaints.  Sometimes you can't do a thing about it.

I respectfully disagree.  Something is being done now.  It didn't have to take this long.  It only did so with the "nudge nudge, wink wink" cooperation of a lot of people now feigning outrage.

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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2017, 03:11:59 pm »
I respectfully disagree.  Something is being done now.  It didn't have to take this long.  It only did so with the "nudge nudge, wink wink" cooperation of a lot of people now feigning outrage.

My opinion.

Yes, I am ASKING your opinion.

You have someone who was quietly accused of 'doing something'.  Someone reports it to an authority, who locates the person who complained.  They indicate that something did happen but they don't want to pursue it.  This is one example of roadblocks in dealing with such matters.

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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2017, 03:32:03 pm »
Yes, I am ASKING your opinion.

You have someone who was quietly accused of 'doing something'.  Someone reports it to an authority, who locates the person who complained.  They indicate that something did happen but they don't want to pursue it.  This is one example of roadblocks in dealing with such matters.

My opinion is that everyone in Hollywood, both those are nobody and those who are someone, knew about it.  It's been going on forever and I would not believe any assertion the HW was the only one who was up to it.  Nobody cared until they had to be seen to care.  Some doe eyed teenage potential starlet might not be able to do much about it, but I bet there were lots of people who could. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2017, 03:45:19 pm »
My opinion is that everyone in Hollywood, both those are nobody and those who are someone, knew about it.  It's been going on forever and I would not believe any assertion the HW was the only one who was up to it.  Nobody cared until they had to be seen to care.  Some doe eyed teenage potential starlet might not be able to do much about it, but I bet there were lots of people who could.

Yeah, apart from the HW example for which you think there was an answer.  I am pointing out that there aren't easy answers all the time.

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2017, 03:55:32 pm »
Yeah, apart from the HW example for which you think there was an answer.  I am pointing out that there aren't easy answers all the time.

I'm not sure what you mean by "answer".  You seem to be indicatiing that you believe that no-one should have taken any responsibility for trying to stop his activities.  I think there are those who wouldn't have been able to, but should have tried nonetheless, and there are those who would have been able to, and who should probably end up in the dock with him. 

They're gonna need a bigger dock!
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2017, 04:14:30 pm »
I'm not sure what you mean by "answer". 

" Well, I don't know Seth McFarlane from Adam, but I would do something.  "

You're saying that you would have been able to do something.  I'm saying your suggestion verges on glib.

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You seem to be indicatiing that you believe that no-one should have taken any responsibility for trying to stop his activities.

 

No.  I'm not saying that I would have been the one person to speak up and risk my career, or risk lawsuits.  You are.


 
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I think there are those who wouldn't have been able to, but should have tried nonetheless, and there are those who would have been able to, and who should probably end up in the dock with him. 
 

Yes, that's fine if that's the point.  I'm just reading between the lines of what you wrote, so while I'm saying it strikes me as glib, I'm sure it's not intended to be that.