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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2730 on: November 13, 2022, 02:29:07 pm »
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/school-board-deems-dress-code-a-liability-after-oakville-teacher-wears-prosthetic-breasts-1.6148982?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvtoronto%3Atwitterpost&taid=636f83c0dddb9b000179c9c1&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Looks like board doesn't want to go near this.  NP is also reporting that the teacher is suspected of trolling WOKISM.  😯

So would those who opposed this ad a genuine expression of gender support it as a protest?

Joan and I have both suspected trolling and as such this story should just die if true.


"Dude you can't wear blackface to school."
"But I'm doing it ironically."
"Oh okay then."

"Dude you can't wear swastikas to school."
"Relax bro it's satire."
"Alright then go ahead."

No fukken way would that argument  be accepted in other situations, so why should be accepted in this one?


Until somebody comes up with a practical mind-reading technology, we can't know what his motivation is, and it's irrelevant what his motivation is. As a matter of law in this country, it does not matter why he says he is a woman. All that matters is that he says he is a woman; no other consideration is relevant.  You're attempting to make a distinction that simply doesn't exist.

There are no legal requirements he to meet in order for him to be considered a "real" trans person. There's no legal definition of what a "real" trans person is. The long-held position of trans rights activists is that someone's gender identity is not up for debate.  What's the point in claiming that he isn't a "real" trans person?  I recall that people wanted to assert that "Jessica" Yaniv wasn't a "real" trans person either, once they found out what a scumbag he is.  But it's irrelevant.  As far as the law is concerned, Yaniv IS a woman, and so is the Oakville teacher.  Their reasons for identifying as women are unknowable and don't make a whit of difference to the real-world considerations of these cases.    You can argue that he is "No True Scotsman" if you wish, but I am here to tell you I don't give a **** if he is Scottish or not.

(for the record: I have heard the claim that he's "just trolling" before, and the only evidence I have seen was an anonymous post on 4chan written by somebody claiming to be one of his former students. So that's not something I would put much faith in.)


When this story first arrived you suggested that people should be quiet about it because it would be handled. Later on you suggested that people should be quiet about it because the school board was in the process of handling it.   And now that the school board has decided that they won't or can't handle it, you're now suggesting that people should be quiet about it because this person might be a bad faith actor. It seems like your primary concern isn't about whether this situation be handled, but rather that people be quiet about it.

I disagree. People should not be quiet about this, because this is an assault on the dignity of women and girls, especially the ones who work and study at that school. This is despicable.


I hope some woman who works at that school is in contact with a lawyer about the possibility of a human rights case based around maybe sexual discrimination or a hostile work environment. The school board is obviously very concerned about being sued if they do anything; I hope they get sued for doing nothing.  Maybe it would disabuse them and others of the notion that women will just willingly suffer every insult heaped upon us.

What makes me especially irate is the school board's statements that they're "committed to establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable and welcoming learning and working environment for all students and staff."

That's a huge lie. They're actually only concerned with a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, welcoming learning and working environment for Miss Jumbo-Juggs.  Their decision to let this walking, breathing insult to women continue to wander the halls of their school puts the lie to the claim that they are concerned with a caring, welcoming, inclusive, equitable environment for women and girls at their school. As often seems to be the case, when they talk about "inclusivity" and "equity" they really only give a **** about people they view as "marginalized".  Inclusion and fairness to women and girls at that school are not a consideration.



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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2731 on: November 13, 2022, 02:40:41 pm »
Imagine being a teenage girl at that school…. Or a youth who is legitimately transgender….  Yikes.

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« Reply #2732 on: November 13, 2022, 02:52:52 pm »
Since the teacher was a shop teacher, I wonder if he (she) built that nippled contraption himself?  Because where would you buy something like that?

The irony is that it would take a lot of balls to go to work like that whether trolling or not.  Trolling here is possible since male shop teachers typically aren't the progressive gender-bending types.

This story just keeps getting more interesting.
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« Reply #2733 on: November 13, 2022, 04:05:10 pm »
Imagine being a teenage girl at that school…. Or a youth who is legitimately transgender….  Yikes.
I agree, it would feel like this teacher was mocking you.  It’s disgusting.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2734 on: November 13, 2022, 04:05:53 pm »

"Dude you can't wear blackface to school."
"But I'm doing it ironically."
"Oh okay then."

"Dude you can't wear swastikas to school."
"Relax bro it's satire."
"Alright then go ahead."

No fukken way would that argument  be accepted in other situations, so why should be accepted in this one?


Until somebody comes up with a practical mind-reading technology, we can't know what his motivation is, and it's irrelevant what his motivation is. As a matter of law in this country, it does not matter why he says he is a woman. All that matters is that he says he is a woman; no other consideration is relevant.  You're attempting to make a distinction that simply doesn't exist.

There are no legal requirements he to meet in order for him to be considered a "real" trans person. There's no legal definition of what a "real" trans person is. The long-held position of trans rights activists is that someone's gender identity is not up for debate.  What's the point in claiming that he isn't a "real" trans person?  I recall that people wanted to assert that "Jessica" Yaniv wasn't a "real" trans person either, once they found out what a scumbag he is.  But it's irrelevant.  As far as the law is concerned, Yaniv IS a woman, and so is the Oakville teacher.  Their reasons for identifying as women are unknowable and don't make a whit of difference to the real-world considerations of these cases.    You can argue that he is "No True Scotsman" if you wish, but I am here to tell you I don't give a **** if he is Scottish or not.

(for the record: I have heard the claim that he's "just trolling" before, and the only evidence I have seen was an anonymous post on 4chan written by somebody claiming to be one of his former students. So that's not something I would put much faith in.)


When this story first arrived you suggested that people should be quiet about it because it would be handled. Later on you suggested that people should be quiet about it because the school board was in the process of handling it.   And now that the school board has decided that they won't or can't handle it, you're now suggesting that people should be quiet about it because this person might be a bad faith actor. It seems like your primary concern isn't about whether this situation be handled, but rather that people be quiet about it.

I disagree. People should not be quiet about this, because this is an assault on the dignity of women and girls, especially the ones who work and study at that school. This is despicable.


I hope some woman who works at that school is in contact with a lawyer about the possibility of a human rights case based around maybe sexual discrimination or a hostile work environment. The school board is obviously very concerned about being sued if they do anything; I hope they get sued for doing nothing.  Maybe it would disabuse them and others of the notion that women will just willingly suffer every insult heaped upon us.

What makes me especially irate is the school board's statements that they're "committed to establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable and welcoming learning and working environment for all students and staff."

That's a huge lie. They're actually only concerned with a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, welcoming learning and working environment for Miss Jumbo-Juggs.  Their decision to let this walking, breathing insult to women continue to wander the halls of their school puts the lie to the claim that they are concerned with a caring, welcoming, inclusive, equitable environment for women and girls at their school. As often seems to be the case, when they talk about "inclusivity" and "equity" they really only give a **** about people they view as "marginalized".  Inclusion and fairness to women and girls at that school are not a consideration.



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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2735 on: November 13, 2022, 07:23:44 pm »
 


When this story first arrived you suggested that people should be quiet about it because it would be handled. Later on you suggested that people should be quiet about it because the school board was in the process of handling it.   And now that the school board has decided that they won't or can't handle it, you're now suggesting that people should be quiet about it because this person might be a bad faith actor. It seems like your primary concern isn't about whether this situation be handled, but rather that people be quiet about it.

 


I don't know if people should be quiet about it, if they're upset.  But there's this well known saying about not feeding trolls.

I'm not telling you to shut up but I am sick of the news being dominated by trolls. Obviously I don't support this person, but I don't know what can be done about it.

A woman in the school suing someone... I don't think that would do anything.  Sometimes there's no way to deal with a dick.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2736 on: November 13, 2022, 07:51:13 pm »


I don't know if people should be quiet about it, if they're upset.  But there's this well known saying about not feeding trolls.

I'm not telling you to shut up but I am sick of the news being dominated by trolls. Obviously I don't support this person, but I don't know what can be done about it.

A woman in the school suing someone... I don't think that would do anything.  Sometimes there's no way to deal with a dick.

This person (let's call her boom-boom), whether they are trolling or not, has exposed how weak this board is and how inept their policies or lack of are.  Boom-boom is doing society a favor.  The board put themselves in a corner and this teacher has checkmated them when in fact it's quite easy for the board to use some basic common sense to get out of it.   But they don't want to offend anyone because they're cowards with no backbone, coupled with a human rights code that tells them they could be fined for gender discrimination.

I think this is all fantastic entertainment and I'm munching popcorn watching it all unfold.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2737 on: November 13, 2022, 08:17:32 pm »
This person (let's call her boom-boom), whether they are trolling or not, has exposed how weak this board is and how inept their policies or lack of are.  Boom-boom is doing society a favor.  The board put themselves in a corner and this teacher has checkmated them when in fact it's quite easy for the board to use some basic common sense to get out of it.   But they don't want to offend anyone because they're cowards with no backbone, coupled with a human rights code that tells them they could be fined for gender discrimination.

I think this is all fantastic entertainment and I'm munching popcorn watching it all unfold.

Maybe.  But people sometimes say 'they should just fire him' and that doesn't work.  What would you suggest.

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« Reply #2738 on: November 13, 2022, 08:38:28 pm »
Maybe.  But people sometimes say 'they should just fire him' and that doesn't work.  What would you suggest.

Having a reasonable dress code and enforcing it.  I'm sure they have methods of reprimanding teachers.  They don't need to be fired.
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« Reply #2739 on: November 14, 2022, 04:52:06 am »
Having a reasonable dress code and enforcing it.  I'm sure they have methods of reprimanding teachers.  They don't need to be fired.

I can say that school boards are ineffectual and weak, yes I agree with you on this point.  This person seems ready to weaponize the system to respond to any measures though.  So I also think that the authorities have a difficult path to managing this.

And by authority I also mean teacher's union.

Nobody would be able to just assume that this person is not genuine, you see.  That's against the principle where we believe self-reporting.

I don't support this but I don't see any easy way through.  With Yaniv, the system could implicitly disbelieve her claims by siding with the nail salon.  I don't see any parallel here.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2741 on: November 16, 2022, 02:47:49 pm »
They don't want to get sued.  I get that, but any employer can require a dress code.  It doesn't have to be a gendered code.
 I'd assume they already had one.   They do for students typically.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2742 on: November 16, 2022, 02:52:56 pm »
They don't want to get sued.  I get that, but any employer can require a dress code.  It doesn't have to be a gendered code.
 I'd assume they already had one.   They do for students typically.

Student dress codes are going away for the same reasons that this dress code isn't forthcoming.

They haven't navigated how to specify one without stepping on toes, to be generous.

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« Reply #2743 on: November 16, 2022, 03:56:06 pm »
Student dress codes are going away for the same reasons that this dress code isn't forthcoming.

They haven't navigated how to specify one without stepping on toes, to be generous.
So you think employers don’t have the legal rights to enforce a dress code, but do have the legal rights to enforce a medical procedure like a vaccination?  This is pure insanity.  Our society is going to complete s**t.

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« Reply #2744 on: November 16, 2022, 04:00:36 pm »
It seems as though school boards have dress codes that only apply to students.  Probably because students don’t have a grotesquely illogical union representing them.

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