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kimmy · « **Reply #2220 on:** November 12, 2021, 11:18:35 pm »

Quote from: Black Dog on October 26, 2021, 10:24:31 am

I know when I raised the issue about transwomen being put in men's prisons with our resident TERF her actual response was "Why is it up to feminists to solve the problem of violence in men's prisons?" so I can't imagine their views on what happens to them in bathrooms is much different.

Wasn't your response to that issue something along the lines of "So? Those women aren't angels"?

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kimmy · « **Reply #2221 on:** November 12, 2021, 11:41:11 pm »

Quote from: Black Dog on October 25, 2021, 10:31:45 am

"It's only a hate crime if they die."-you

It's not minimizing this person's death to point out that while tragic it's not evidence of a "trans genocide" going on. We could acknowledge that if a person were kicked to death by a momma deer protecting her baby, it would be tragic, while also acknowledging that there's not any evidence of a mass genocide of humans by deer. There's no evidence of a "trans genocide", indeed the evidence we have appears to indicate that murder rates for trans people are actually lower than average.

So you point out that hate crime doesn't necessarily mean murder. That's a good point. But hate crime data from the US indicates by a very large margin most hate crimes involve race and religion. And according to the US data, even considering just hate crimes involving sexual orientation and gender identity, the large majority of victims are gay men, not trans or genderfabulous people.

So then I imagine the next thing is "okay well maybe trans people are victims of lots of non-murder hate crimes that just don't get reported to the authorities." But the only evidence to support that claim comes from non-scientific opt-in volunteered response surveys. Coming from people who claim that misgendering is "literal violence", I think that kind of data needs to be viewed with a bit of skepticism.

I don't doubt that trans people might hear hurtful comments as they go about their day. But so does everybody else, with the possible exception of cis white men.

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kimmy · « **Reply #2222 on:** November 13, 2021, 12:08:11 am »

Quote from: kimmy on July 19, 2021, 10:20:53 pm

On a related note, the Scottish woman being prosecuted for wrongthink, Marion Millar, has obtained legal representation in the form of lawyer and Scottish MP Joanna Cherry. Which is probably better than being represented by a right-wing religious freedom outfit. Millar was supposed to make her first court appearance tomorrow, but the prosecution have announced that they are postponing the hearing until August 17. No reason was given.

I can only assume that the prosecutor must have had a nervous breakdown or mental health crisis at the prospect of appearing in court to argue that a picture of a suffragette ribbon constitutes a hate crime.

After multiple postponements, Scottish prosecutors have discontinued the case against Marion Millar. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-59076966

They dragged proceedings on for as long as they could to keep the Sword of Damocles dangling over Millar for as long as possible; when more delays were no longer viable they punted. Discontinuing the case means they don't have to face a crushing legal defeat which would dissuade them from doing the same thing to someone else. They don't actually even want to go to court and risk defeat, because that would mean they'd have to stop this tactic. They're happy doing what they're doing, which is to use the process itself as the punishment. In regard to the months of anxiety and legal expense they inflicted upon Marion Millar they will simply say "well, we have discontinued the case, so no harm no foul, carry on, pip-pip" and move on to inflicting the same anxiety and legal expenses upon the next woman.

The next woman has already been picked; her name is Ceri Black, a Northern Ireland lesbian who police "requested" come for an interview regarding something-or-other she posted on the Bird App. She has publicly stated that she's not coming; they will have come arrest her. The police have embarked on a strategy of begging and/or pleading with Black to get an interview.

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Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #2223 on:** November 13, 2021, 12:18:50 am »

F*** you Kimmy! Tomorrow is Saturday night, I think i'm gonna put on a dress and some lipstick and hit the clubs downtown and hide in some women's washrooms.

Black Dog · « **Reply #2224 on:** November 13, 2021, 01:35:04 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on November 12, 2021, 11:18:35 pm

Wasn't your response to that issue something along the lines of "So? Those women aren't angels"?

-k

No, that's super f(cked up.

Black Dog · « **Reply #2225 on:** November 13, 2021, 01:39:31 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on November 12, 2021, 11:41:11 pm

It's not minimizing this person's death to point out that while tragic it's not evidence of a "trans genocide" going on.

Which wasn't something I claimed; rather, that kind of thing is an inevitable consequence of your preferred shitter policy.

Black Dog · « **Reply #2226 on:** November 13, 2021, 01:58:29 pm »

Remember Lily Cade, the **** actress and **** producer who makes **** for lesbians who became a TERF star for refusing to have sex with a trans performer?
She's been accused (and has admitted to) sexually assaulting multiple women (including in bathrooms, ironically enough).

Oh and her website was pulled down after she posted some extremely violent and f*cked up stuff about murdering trans people.

I only mention this because she was something of a poster child for the "trans people are pressuring lesbians for sex!" angle and that despite what some might claim, the hate isn't a one way street.

Michael Hardner · « **Reply #2227 on:** November 18, 2021, 12:34:45 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on November 12, 2021, 04:16:55 pm

Imagine you're in junior high and you're trying to change a tampon or just use the washroom, and there's boys trying to peek between the gaps in the barrier, or listening at the door, or holding their cell phone camera over or under the barrier. It's **** inhumane that school officials would inflict something like that on young girls. It makes me want to puke.

FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate... BUT... I went to high school in Europe with unisex bathrooms and it was not a big deal. If you were stupid enough to hang around in a bathroom and behave badly you would be easily caught and reported...

But your fears aren't irrational either.

kimmy · « **Reply #2228 on:** November 28, 2021, 05:47:51 pm »

Quote from: MH on November 18, 2021, 12:34:45 pm

FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate... BUT... I went to high school in Europe with unisex bathrooms and it was not a big deal. If you were stupid enough to hang around in a bathroom and behave badly you would be easily caught and reported...

But your fears aren't irrational either.

From last week, another reminder that teenage boys are just animals with less fur:
https://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/education/councillors-hear-of-claims-that-boys-at-jedburgh-grammar-campus-waved-sanitary-products-like-flags-3471533
School administrators who inflict this kind of humiliation on teenage girls are either stupid or they just hate girls. Either way, they're not fit for their offices and should be terminated. Ideally they would also be marched down to town square and pelted with rotting fruit.

It might not seem like a big deal to you now; maybe when Peasy is older you'll feel differently.

Quote from: MH on November 18, 2021, 12:34:45 pm

FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate...

So on that front, I never did get your thoughts on that fake news article Black Dog posted, where Slate and a number of other left-wing websites were all pushing the narrative that the Wi Spa incident was a hoax, based on nothing more than speculation. Why are lefties so comfortable with fake news? You guys howl about right-wing sites covering stories in a way that you feel pushes an agenda, yet it seems clear that it's not so much the pushing of an agenda you guys disagree with, it's whether you support the agenda being pushed.

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Michael Hardner · « **Reply #2229 on:** November 28, 2021, 05:54:19 pm »

Sorry, I lost track of the fakeness claims.

Black Dog · « **Reply #2230 on:** November 28, 2021, 07:58:55 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on November 28, 2021, 05:47:51 pm

So on that front, I never did get your thoughts on that fake news article Black Dog posted, where Slate and a number of other left-wing websites were all pushing the narrative that the Wi Spa incident was a hoax, based on nothing more than speculation. Why are lefties so comfortable with fake news? You guys howl about right-wing sites covering stories in a way that you feel pushes an agenda, yet it seems clear that it's not so much the pushing of an agenda you guys disagree with, it's whether you support the agenda being pushed.

-k

Yeah because all we had at the time was one claim by a person with a documented anti-LGBTQ agenda before this happened and a video which somehow managed to not include the alleged perpetrator. That you'd lump incomplete reporting based on fragmentary evidence in with "fake news" aka deliberately false or misleading propaganda shows you aren't addressing this in good faith at all.

kimmy · « **Reply #2231 on:** December 19, 2021, 10:59:19 pm »

Quote from: Black Dog on November 28, 2021, 07:58:55 pm

Yeah because all we had at the time was one claim by a person with a documented anti-LGBTQ agenda before this happened and a video which somehow managed to not include the alleged perpetrator. That you'd lump incomplete reporting based on fragmentary evidence in with "fake news" aka deliberately false or misleading propaganda shows you aren't addressing this in good faith at all.

So much wrong packed into such a short message. Let's have a closer look.

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Yeah because all we had at the time was one claim

"We don't have any solid information so let's publish some unsourced speculation" is probably not something you'd hear in a credible news room.

The "hoax" claim in the headline of the Slate article you posted was based entirely on comments from an internet message board called "TransSafety.net" plus a post from the Los Angeles Blade which itself was based on more internet speculation and a claim from a make-believe source within the LAPD.

The Slate story you linked to, The Daily Beast, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Insider (and possibly other popular "progressive" sites like Vice, Daily Dot, and Vox) all decided to amplify these baseless claims because it fit the narrative they liked. It "fit their priors" to borrow your phrase.

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by a person with a documented anti-LGBTQ agenda before this happened

cite? As far as I know her alleged "anti-LGBTQ" agenda consists of belonging to an evangelical church.

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and a video which somehow managed to not include the alleged perpetrator.

It's funny to me that you and the super-sleuths of Trans social media are mystified as to why she stopped recording before she entered the **** AREA of the spa.

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That you'd lump incomplete reporting based on fragmentary evidence in with "fake news" aka deliberately false or misleading propaganda

"Incomplete reporting based on fragmentary evidence" is an incredibly generous description. A more accurate description would be "agenda-driven reporting based on unsubstantiated claims."

If they had any intention of doing real reporting on this story, these outlets would have reported that a suspect had been named and a warrant had been issued. They didn't. Of all these outfits, The Guardian was the only one who published a new article after a warrant was issued for the arrest of Darren Merager (before immediately doubling down on "the transes are the real victims in all of this.") Your Slate article was updated with a footnote acknowledging that a warrant had been issued. Washington Post and Insider were completely silent. The Daily Beast didn't just stay silent, they also deleted their earlier story.

Trying to spin this as "incomplete reporting" is laughable because they had no intention of providing more complete reporting when the truth emerged. They made two extremely slanted decisions. First they published stories pushing this hoax narrative based on the flimsiest possible information. Second when real actual facts emerged they declined to post the update and let their "progressive" readers go on assuming the hoax claim was the end of it.

In short: they published the initial "hoax" claims because it was a narrative they liked, and they dropped the story when it stopped fitting a narrative they liked.

The result is that people like yourself spread this story around social media, without ever hearing the update. I doubt that you heard that they charged a suspect until I held the story under your nose. I doubt that people who helped spread this "hoax" allegation on their social media did anything to spread the truth once it emerged, even if they did learn the truth.

This is no different than some outfit like Fox (or Rebel Media or whatever) publishing some inflammatory junk about Obama and then posting a brief retraction a few days later in a time-slot when nobody is watching. But you're willing to make excuses for it in this case, because the false narrative being peddled is one that you support.

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shows you aren't addressing this in good faith at all.

Good faith is certainly not coming from the side that pushed this "it's a hoax" narrative vociferously and then vanished into the woodwork when a suspect was named and charged.

-k

kimmy · « **Reply #2232 on:** December 19, 2021, 11:37:43 pm »

Two years ago to the day, JK Rowling posted the infamous Tweet in support of Maya Forstater, who had just lost her case at the employment tribunal:

One of the pieces of evidence presented against Forstater at the tribunal was that she had referred to this individual:

...as a "him". That individual, a Scottish politician/activist named Gregor Murray, is clearly not a "him" and is obviously a they/them person.

As you can tell from the picture, Murray was a Scout Leader at the time, as was Forstater. Murray complained to the Scouting association about being misgendered, which set off a long formal investigation of Forstater by the Scouts, which was used as evidence against Forstater at the tribunal.

Today, two years to the day after she lost her initial tribunal case, the Scouts issued an apology to Forstater for the investigation.

-k

kimmy · « **Reply #2233 on:** December 20, 2021, 12:01:42 am »

Progressives are delighted as University of Pennsylvania trans swimmer Lia Thomas continues the work of turning women's sports into a complete joke.

As "Will", Thomas was a relative nobody in the world of men's competitive swimming, but after taking a year off during covid to transform into "Lia", Thomas is the #1 college swimmer in the US.

Thomas is completely humiliating the female women by winning races by laughably large margins (a 38 second margin in one race) and bragging about it afterward ("That was so easy. I was just coasting.")

The Thomas story, like many other stories about trans women in women's sports, includes Thomas assuring an interviewer "the other girls are so supportive!" with the conspicuous absence of comment from female team-mates.

A couple of Thomas's team-mates spoke out anonymously last week, telling a website that their "support" for Thomas is very fake, and that they only do it because they feel they have to. They said that they have all individually told the coach they're unhappy with the situation and that he doesn't care and just wants to win. After their comments were published the U Penn athletics department rounded up the female swimmers and "strongly advised" them against talking to anybody about Thomas again.

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kimmy · « **Reply #2234 on:** December 20, 2021, 12:24:42 am »

Quote from: Black Dog on November 13, 2021, 01:58:29 pm

Remember Lily Cade, the **** actress and **** producer who makes **** for lesbians who became a TERF star for refusing to have sex with a trans performer?
She's been accused (and has admitted to) sexually assaulting multiple women (including in bathrooms, ironically enough).

Oh and her website was pulled down after she posted some extremely violent and f*cked up stuff about murdering trans people.

I only mention this because she was something of a poster child for the "trans people are pressuring lesbians for sex!" angle and that despite what some might claim, the hate isn't a one way street.

Sometimes people making outrageous demands hate people who won't accede to their demands, and sometimes the people of which outrageous demands are being made hate people who are making outrageous demands of them.

If you're talking about Lily Cade, then I assume you are aware of the BBC article and all the outrage it stirred up.

The "cotton ceiling" type rhetoric is real and widespread among "transbians" and their allies and it's no secret. But when the BBC publishes an article acknowledging that this is a real thing that lesbians are experiencing, wokies go ballistic. Howls of rage, calls for the police to investigate it as a hate crime, demands for apologies or retractions or for the article to be removed entirely.

As with the college swimmers, can't have the natal women saying things that are anything short of breathlessly enthusiastic about trans-women colonizing their spaces.

The head of the UK's largest LGBT group is quoted in the article, likening lesbians who don't like dick to people who won't date outside their own race:

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Stonewall is the largest LGBT organisation in the UK and Europe. I asked the charity about these issues but it was unable to provide anyone for interview. However, in a statement, chief executive Nancy Kelley likened not wanting to date trans people to not wanting to date people of colour, fat people, or disabled people.

She said: "Sexuality is personal and something which is unique to each of us. There is no 'right' way to be a lesbian, and only we can know who we're attracted to.

"Nobody should ever be pressured into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren't attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.

"We know that prejudice is still common in the LGBT+ community, and it's important that we can talk about that openly and honestly."

I think it's worth pointing out that Stonewall (like it's counterparts in Canada and the US) was an organization founded expressly for the purpose of defending gay people's right to "write off entire groups of people" from their sex lives.

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