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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2055 on: September 12, 2021, 09:47:34 pm »
We'll see if any of it sticks.

"You ain't got nuthin' on me, copper! I'll be back on the streets in the women's showers in a week!"

This repeat sex offender is going to tell the judge that he is entitled to wave his dick around in the women's area because he says he's a woman. If the judge agrees, it's going to become a stick that progressives get beat over the head with for years to come.   What's really disgusting is that some of you wokies will actually consider it a victory if Darren Merager gets acquitted.

Meanwhile, are you still going to pretend the violent protests around this weren't put on by your friends in the far right?

I fully acknowledge that the Proud Boys and other far-right groups were there (why can't you acknowledge that "antifa" and other left-wing extremists were also there?)

The claim that the protests were "put on" by them is false, however.  The protest was initially organized by the woman in the video, "Cubana Angel", and people from her evangelical church.  Lots of others, both for and against, heard about the protest and tried to rally others to support/oppose the protest. 

Are the protesters violent far right because some violent far right groups attended?  Are pro-Palestian protesters actually violent anti-Semites because some anti-Semite groups attend?  Are anti-globalization protesters actually violent anarchists because some violent anarchist groups attend? Are BLM protesters actually violent anarchists because some violent anarchist groups attend?  That's the same argument you're putting forth. It's not a good-faith argument.

Meanwhile, I have a question for you and all the other wokies here:  why shouldn't women protest against laws that allow a repeat sex offender to self-identify into women's spaces on demand?


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2056 on: September 21, 2021, 10:23:29 pm »
Meanwhile, I have a question for you and all the other wokies here:  why shouldn't women protest against laws that allow a repeat sex offender to self-identify into women's spaces on demand?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2057 on: September 25, 2021, 01:16:37 pm »


Meanwhile, I have a question for you and all the other wokies here:  why shouldn't women protest against laws that allow a repeat sex offender to self-identify into women's spaces on demand?


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I'm not laying claim to being a "wokie", especially as I'm not even sure what it means - maybe a shaved Wookie? 

Of course, I agree that that people shouldn't be permitted anywhere, if it is obvious they are there for nefarious purposes - **** hanging around playgrounds/schools, KKK people with guns hanging around in black neighborhoods, an abuser hanging around his ex's house etc.   

But I still get the impression, too often, that a transgendered person is assumed to have ill-intent in entering female spaces, just because they are transgendered.  Do you see that too?  Or does holding that opinion make me a 'wokie'?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2058 on: October 02, 2021, 01:03:11 pm »


I'm not laying claim to being a "wokie", especially as I'm not even sure what it means - maybe a shaved Wookie? 

Once upon a time, "woke" was black community vernacular meaning awareness of racial justice issues. Someone who was "woke" was someone who was "awake" to issues of institutionalized racism and racial discrimination in society.  At some point in recent years, the term was appropriated by white liberals and applied to every social justice cause under the sun.  And, like everything that white liberals appropriate for themselves, it became a joke and is now mostly used with contempt by people who sneer at white liberals, more or less in the same way as "politically correct" and "social justice warrior". 

Here's an Al Jazeera article on the phenomenon:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/24/what-is-woke-culture-and-why-has-it-become-so-toxic


Of course, I agree that that people shouldn't be permitted anywhere, if it is obvious they are there for nefarious purposes - **** hanging around playgrounds/schools, KKK people with guns hanging around in black neighborhoods, an abuser hanging around his ex's house etc.   

But I still get the impression, too often, that a transgendered person is assumed to have ill-intent in entering female spaces, just because they are transgendered.  Do you see that too?  Or does holding that opinion make me a 'wokie'?

I have to point out that you didn't even attempt to answer the question. You glanced briefly at the question before going off in a completely different direction.


First off:  even if you support the notion that trans-women should be allowed to use women's single sex facilities, you have to acknowledge that self-ID on demand is a problem, and this incident illustrates why.   It's an idea begging to be abused.  When this incident hit the news, the Wi Spa people said "we're just following the law".  And they're right. The law in California says that they're required to treat patrons according to their gender identity.  If Darren the sex offender shows up and says he's a woman, they're required to treat him as such.   It doesn't require the individual to even be transgender. He can claim to be female the moment he arrives at the spa or pool, hang out in the women's changing room and showers, and resume leading a normal male life as soon as he leaves, and that's all completely within the law in California.   It's clearly a terrible idea, and women are not villains for protesting against such a stupid law.


Second: "too often, that a transgendered person is assumed to have ill-intent in entering female spaces, just because they are transgendered" ...how do we even know if someone's transgender? How can you tell the difference between someone who wants to enter women's spaces with ill-intent, and someone who isn't?

And also:  "I agree that that people shouldn't be permitted anywhere, if it is obvious they are there for nefarious purposes" ...what actually qualifies as nefarious purposes in your book?    To me it seems that for wokies that line starts at bodily assault.  Wokies are content to say that since Darren Merager didn't actually physically assault anybody in the spa, no harm no foul.  I reject that.   The women in the spa didn't consent to be fodder for someone's exhibitionism fetish. They didn't consent to be objects of a voyeur's gaze.  I hate that in 2021 women's privacy and dignity are considered so worthless that they are expected to submit to this kind of treatment without question.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2059 on: October 02, 2021, 03:59:08 pm »
I'm not laying claim to being a "wokie", especially as I'm not even sure what it means...
Hey, I just noticed I tagged your post as being dumb. That was unintentional - my bad.  Can't seem to remove the tag so...my apologies Dia.


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« Reply #2060 on: October 07, 2021, 01:26:26 pm »
"You ain't got nuthin' on me, copper! I'll be back on the streets in the women's showers in a week!"

This repeat sex offender is going to tell the judge that he is entitled to wave his dick around in the women's area because he says he's a woman. If the judge agrees, it's going to become a stick that progressives get beat over the head with for years to come.  What's really disgusting is that some of you wokies will actually consider it a victory if Darren Merager gets acquitted.

Yeah it wpuld be awful is someone gets their day in court and found not guilty. We should lynch them before that can happen.

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I fully acknowledge that the Proud Boys and other far-right groups were there (why can't you acknowledge that "antifa" and other left-wing extremists were also there?)

The claim that the protests were "put on" by them is false, however.  The protest was initially organized by the woman in the video, "Cubana Angel", and people from her evangelical church.  Lots of others, both for and against, heard about the protest and tried to rally others to support/oppose the protest. 

Are the protesters violent far right because some violent far right groups attended? Are pro-Palestian protesters actually violent anti-Semites because some anti-Semite groups attend?  Are anti-globalization protesters actually violent anarchists because some violent anarchist groups attend? Are BLM protesters actually violent anarchists because some violent anarchist groups attend?  That's the same argument you're putting forth. It's not a good-faith argument.

Yes very important to distinguish between the bigots, Q-adjacent freaks and the really violent fascists.

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« Reply #2061 on: October 07, 2021, 01:26:54 pm »

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I've been busy with my real life, you weirdo.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2062 on: October 09, 2021, 03:31:56 pm »
I've been busy with my real life, you weirdo.

Yeah,  yeah.  You weren't the only person here who could have taken up the challenge, but none did. Except for Dia, who responded to the message but completely ignored the actual question. 

I can wait another week, or a month, or a year, or however long, and it won't actually change anything, because you guys can't actually address that question.

You'll come back to me with some more insults, some "TERFs are Nazis" stuff, and some "ThAT NeVEr hApPEns!!!" and that'll be all you have to offer.

Yeah it wpuld be awful is someone gets their day in court and found not guilty. We should lynch them before that can happen.

He'll get his day in the court, and he'll tell the judge he belongs in the women's changing rooms and women's showers because he says he is a woman.

I think wokies are too dumb to understand how bad it will be for progressives if the judge says "yes, under the law of California, Darren is allowed to hang out in the women's changing rooms because he says he's a woman." 

It will be a stick that conservatives use to batter progressives with for years to come.

Yes very important to distinguish between the bigots, Q-adjacent freaks and the really violent fascists.

Women are not bigots or fascists for not wanting to change, shower, and bathe with FUCKEN DARREN watching.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2063 on: October 12, 2021, 02:56:24 pm »
Yeah,  yeah.  You weren't the only person here who could have taken up the challenge, but none did. Except for Dia, who responded to the message but completely ignored the actual question. 

I can wait another week, or a month, or a year, or however long, and it won't actually change anything, because you guys can't actually address that question.

You'll come back to me with some more insults, some "TERFs are Nazis" stuff, and some "ThAT NeVEr hApPEns!!!" and that'll be all you have to offer.

Gee I wonder why no one picked up the challenge from someone who clearly is operating in such good faith when they also say stuff like:

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What's really disgusting is that some of you wokies will actually consider it a victory if Darren Merager gets acquitted.

The question is a dumb one because no one is saying women can't protest whatever they want.


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He'll get his day in the court, and he'll tell the judge he belongs in the women's changing rooms and women's showers because he says he is a woman.

I think wokies are too dumb to understand how bad it will be for progressives if the judge says "yes, under the law of California, Darren is allowed to hang out in the women's changing rooms because he says he's a woman."

It will be a stick that conservatives use to batter progressives with for years to come
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This is just concern trolling. You can't make common cause with these people (something you've quite openly supported here) and then pretend to be upset with how they'll weaponize it to attack other causes.


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Women are not bigots or fascists for not wanting to change, shower, and bathe with FUCKEN DARREN watching.

Again, you can simultaneously welcome the support and money of the far right (which you have done repeatedly), gloss over their presence on the street and then turn around and whine about being tarred with the same brush. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2064 on: October 12, 2021, 04:34:32 pm »
Again, you can simultaneously welcome the support and money of the far right (which you have done repeatedly), gloss over their presence on the street and then turn around and whine about being tarred with the same brush. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

You know, I can't fail to notice she said 'conservatives' and you translated that to 'far right'. That seems a tad reactionary of you - not to mention, well, extremist.
If you think the only people in this country who find the idea of biological male perverts forcing their way into women's private places are 'the far right' you really are quite the distance from understanding the thinking of the average Canadian. Never mind the somewhat more 'conservative' yanks.
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« Reply #2065 on: October 13, 2021, 10:00:14 am »
You know, I can't fail to notice she said 'conservatives' and you translated that to 'far right'. That seems a tad reactionary of you - not to mention, well, extremist.



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If you think the only people in this country who find the idea of biological male perverts forcing their way into women's private places are 'the far right' you really are quite the distance from understanding the thinking of the average Canadian. Never mind the somewhat more 'conservative' yanks.

I don't think the average Canadian genuinely gives a **** about trans people using facilities that correspond to their gender identity but your implication that people who would seek to do so are perverts reinforces to my point above.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2066 on: October 13, 2021, 02:24:42 pm »


I don't think the average Canadian genuinely gives a **** about trans people using facilities that correspond to their gender identity but your implication that people who would seek to do so are perverts reinforces to my point above.

Average male Canadian anyway. There seems to be a bit of the Taliban everywhere.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2067 on: October 14, 2021, 09:40:19 am »




 I have to point out that you didn't even attempt to answer the question. You glanced briefly at the question before going off in a completely different direction.



Yeah,  yeah.  You weren't the only person here who could have taken up the challenge, but none did. Except for Dia, who responded to the message but completely ignored the actual question. 

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Your question was directed to "wokies"; I assume if any were on here, perhaps they'd have responded to the question. 

In any case, my response broadly supported your point, and brought up a concern I have - which is the assumption by so many that any non-biological-female who goes into women's spaces is lying about who they are and why they are there.  My response seemed reasonable to me; sorry it didn't meet your high standards. 

And to answer you purely rhetorical question:  Of course women can protest laws that allow for screw ups; we can all do that.  Your example isn't a particularly unusual incident: our legal system is full of such screwups. 

It seems to me that on this issue, it's best to ignore you - you seem bent on putting everyone who says anything other than "Yes, Kim" into some box called "wokie" to dismiss and denigrate them.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2068 on: October 14, 2021, 10:18:04 am »
Hey, I just noticed I tagged your post as being dumb. That was unintentional - my bad.  Can't seem to remove the tag so...my apologies Dia.

No problem, I didn't notice anyway.

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« Reply #2069 on: October 14, 2021, 11:10:37 am »

Women are not bigots or fascists for not wanting to change, shower, and bathe with FUCKEN DARREN watching.


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I think the objection to Darren's or any "man's" presence in a woman's changeroom is the assumption that "he" is sexually attracted to women and thereby invading their privacy with the potential for leering behaviour.
By that standard, how do you feel about lesbians and bisexual women being allowed in?