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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1545 on: January 14, 2021, 01:49:41 pm »
It seems this is more an issue of peeing culture.  I certainly have no issues with having different washrooms for each gender type. Speaking for myself I'm at an age where it's become embarrassingly apparent that we simply don't have enough public washrooms anyway so.  I've been forced to use washrooms meant for the opposite gender and sometimes the bushes off to the side when nature's call turns into a scream.

Will I have to make a federal case out of it if I'm arrested? Is it time we had a discussion about the right's of the incontinent? That's what this will eventually come down to, when you gotta go you gotta go and no one has the right to stop you.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1546 on: January 16, 2021, 01:56:43 pm »
Do you lose your **** every time some ugly or insufficiently femme-y woman comes into the bathroom? Are non-passing trans people less dangerous than passing trans people?

Weird that someone who is complaining about trans activists relying on gender stereotypes would use those stereotypes to determine who is and who isn't a "concern". Because i thought the issue was personal safety, not "I'm not comfortable sharing a bathroom with a real uggo".

The issue isn't that Oger is "ugly" or "insufficiently femme-y".   The issue is that she is OBVIOUSLY MALE.   Regardless how much performative femininity she does (and it's a lot, as you can see in her photos) she will continue to be obviously male. As are many (and possibly most) trans women.

You already said the quiet part out loud when you picked a photo of ContraPoints to illustrate why women shouldn't be alarmed about trans women in female spaces.    Do the same exercise again but with Oger or Eddie Izzard or Charlotte Clymer.   Unless someone recognizes her as Actual Celebrity Trans Woman Eddie Izzard, how is someone supposed to know if they've just stepped into a washroom with a trans woman or with a crazy male person with lipstick?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1547 on: January 16, 2021, 02:08:21 pm »
Do bathroom rapists typically dress as women? Does this make it easier to **** people?

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« Reply #1548 on: January 16, 2021, 02:40:54 pm »
As is your claim that the wokies have taken over everything. That's the kind of conclusion you come to when you spend too much time on Twitter huffing Jon Kay's farts. By that I mean if you spend all your time searching for evidence that the world is against you as the Ineffectual Dork Web types do, you will come up with a lot of it.

The only "feminist issues" TERFS care about are related to trans people. C'est tout. I can't find any evidence of any notable TERFs taking stances on issues like sexual or physical violence against incarcerated women or engaging in any activism to reduce it. Take the aforementioned Kathleen Stock; I've looked to see if she's ever advocated for this cause in any other context and found exactly one mention, a twitter post she made where she dismissed the idea that gendercritical feminists don't care about the issue, begs off by saying "such violence is hard to fix tho" and then went back to talking about the trans problem.


You checked her twitter to see if trans people are all she talks about?  But what if she posts her serious academic work on Tik-Tok or Facebook??

A lot of people who have found the TERF community are there because they're sick of gender-theory bullshit, of course. But a lot of people there are talking about stuff that doesn't relate to trans stuff. The RF part, rather than the TE part.  The TERFs are talking about sex work, p0rn, depictions of women in media and entertainment, and other things that used to be the domain of mainstream feminism before everything went woke.  Since encountering the TERFs I have thought a lot about my views on p0rn and sex work in particular.

Also, you seem to have this idea that perhaps I was just minding my business and then read a Quillette article one day and BAM instant transphobia.  That's not the case.   As I mentioned early in this thread, I was all on board the trans rights train back when it was "we just need a place to pee".   I had never even heard of TERFs until Michael informed us in this thread that his woke friends were "CANCELLING!" Meghan Murphy because she's "a TERF".  There has been a long series of things that made me break with the crowd on this issue. The very first post in this thread... that women are expected to shower with pen1s-people without complaint.  Trans activists like Rachel V McKinnon (now "Veronica Ivy") demanding trans women be allowed into women's sports (Veronica's obnoxious personality has probably turned more people against the trans rights agenda than any number of Quillette articles.)  The "cotton ceiling" stuff-- the guilt and shaming and intimidation directed towards lesbians that don't want "girldick" in their sex lives.  A few years ago when I was single I went on PlentyOfFish (or Plenty Offish as I now think of it) and was contacted by a few non-passing "transbians" and thought to myself "oh, look, crazy people, how cute."  But then later I found out that you're actually a Bad Person if you aren't interested in transbians.  I think that was probably what sent me off into the wilderness... I was like "is this for real?"  And I think that was probably where I came into first-hand contact with the TERFs.  And that's a pretty common theme... most of the people who've found the TERF Dark Web have some story that starts with "I used to be an open-minded liberal person until..."

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1549 on: January 16, 2021, 03:03:13 pm »
Sorry but maybe they should complain and help to weed out creeps instead of discriminating against the entirety of a group based on the actions a few.

Easy for you to say.  That's a course of action that can get you branded as a TERF, get you doxxed and threatened, even get people contacting your employer to demand you be fired.  Given a choice between that vs just not going back there again, most sane people will just not go back.

And if a customer does complain, what's a business supposed to do?  Post #1 in this thread talks about a business that tried to respond to concerns from female customers about pen1s-people naked in their spaces, and look at the trouble they got into as a result.

 The purpose of a witch-hunt isn't to burn one witch, it's to scare everyone else into compliance. That goes for both women who'd complain about shlongs in their showers, and businesses considering how to respond to those complaints.

Finally, it's extremely telling to me that there's like a handful of examples you're able to come back with over and over again (Yaniv and the possibly apocryphal yoga hard on) and rather than take that as an indication that maybe these are a few isolated incidents perpetrated by creeps (which come in all shapes sizes and genders) you seem to think it's an indication that transpeople are somehow predisposed to being creeps. It's such an obvious echo of gay panics in the past that it's impossible to take seriously and obscures any actual legitimate concerns you may have.

No serious person is claiming that all trans people are creeps and predators.  People are saying that on-demand gender self-ID is an idea tailor-made to be exploited by creeps and predators.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1550 on: January 16, 2021, 03:07:32 pm »
Do bathroom rapists typically dress as women? Does this make it easier to **** people?

I'm not really sure. But on-demand gender self-ID does give a would-be predator a pretext to enter a women's space to scout for an opportunity.

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« Reply #1551 on: January 16, 2021, 04:43:15 pm »
Hypothetically. Seems kind of far-fetched though.
It would have to be a bathroom with little traffic for it to be possible to commit a sexual assault. And if that were the case, it would be easy to just go and wait inside one of the stalls. No need to dress up in lady clothes to do that. I can't imagine it's an ongoing problem, with or without trans rights.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1552 on: January 16, 2021, 05:09:53 pm »
The issue isn't that Oger is "ugly" or "insufficiently femme-y".   The issue is that she is OBVIOUSLY MALE.   Regardless how much performative femininity she does (and it's a lot, as you can see in her photos) she will continue to be obviously male. As are many (and possibly most) trans women.

BD asked a good question and you didn't really address it in this response.

Genuinely curious here, are you concerned about the 'safety' or is it merely about being 'uncomfortable' with transwomen in the bathrooms?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1553 on: January 16, 2021, 06:59:32 pm »
I'm not really sure. But on-demand gender self-ID does give a would-be predator a pretext to enter a women's space to scout for an opportunity.

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Doesn’t have to be a predator....   I think women should be able to feel safe from being ogled  by creepy dudes in washrooms. 
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« Reply #1554 on: January 16, 2021, 07:00:19 pm »
BD asked a good question and you didn't really address it in this response.

Genuinely curious here, are you concerned about the 'safety' or is it merely about being 'uncomfortable' with transwomen in the bathrooms?

Kimmy has already said it’s a safety issue. 
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1555 on: January 16, 2021, 07:27:47 pm »
Kimmy has already said it’s a safety issue.

She's obfuscated, using the two interchangeably, it's difficult to tell.

But thanks for answering for her??
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1556 on: January 16, 2021, 07:28:14 pm »
Doesn’t have to be a predator....   I think women should be able to feel safe from being ogled  by creepy dudes in washrooms.

What about creepy lesbians?
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« Reply #1557 on: January 16, 2021, 07:29:57 pm »
What about creepy lesbians?

Historically, women haven’t been an issue with other women’s safety and security like men have.  It’s simple statistics to show who women should be concerned with.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1558 on: January 16, 2021, 07:30:55 pm »
Historically, women haven’t been an issue with other women’s safety and security like men have.  It’s simple statistics to show who women should be concerned with.

Spoken like a man who's never been cornered by a lesbian.  Trust me, they can be as bad as men.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1559 on: January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 pm »
Spoken like a man who's never been cornered by a lesbian.  Trust me, they can be as bad as men.

Spoken like someone who didn’t read my post...

Let’s get real...   men are much more dangerous to women, statistically speaking, than other women.
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