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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #210 on: September 19, 2017, 01:05:12 am »
I know Islam is the religion most talked about, but did you realize the Catholics, Hindus and Sikhs are also increasing in number in Canada?   And, they follow a similar pattern to Muslims:  it is the younger generation who tends to be more devout than their parents. 

http://www.macleans.ca/society/life/what-canadians-really-believe/

I'm certainly aware that there are lots of cultures with ideas I don't agree with...  I believe we just agreed to extradite a Hindu couple to India to stand trial for having had their daughter killed for marrying someone from a lower caste.  I'm not wild about any of it.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #211 on: September 19, 2017, 01:25:43 am »
So first off, the article said that 48% wear the hijab, plus an additional 6% wear the burqa or chador, for a total of 54%. Which everybody except you seemed to recognize constitutes a majority.

But the main point I was addressing is that that number has increased-- by 10% since the previous survey. And that the religious attendance has also increased by 7% since the previous survey. In short, Canadian Muslims are becoming increasingly religious, not secular. 

Your site supports exactly what I said.  The only thing you've succumb to is your unfailing ability to be a failure.

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OK you have mixed up the numbers, but I will agree surveys show that Muslim women have increased their comfort with displaying their religious affiliation. But it's not because their husbands are beating them into it as seems to be the red neck xenophobic assumption, but rather that their compatriots are learning that displays of religious affiliation are no more threatening than that of Christians with their crosses.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #212 on: September 19, 2017, 05:40:08 am »
Muslims still, huh ?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #213 on: September 19, 2017, 08:04:27 am »
This thread is closed for 24 hours to allow everyone to calm the **** down.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #214 on: September 22, 2017, 01:30:27 am »
So, just to brainstorm this, can anybody suggest reasons why increasing religiosity is a Good Thing in our present day?   It seems to me as if many of the problems we're grappling with are in some way or another linked to religious attitudes in our distant or not-so-distant past.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #215 on: September 22, 2017, 05:55:17 am »
So, just to brainstorm this, can anybody suggest reasons why increasing religiosity is a Good Thing in our present day?   It seems to me as if many of the problems we're grappling with are in some way or another linked to religious attitudes in our distant or not-so-distant past.

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They're really about culture clash.  'Increasing religiosity' is only a side-effect of applying our laws to new immigrant groups.  My wife works in a school that took in Syrian kids and they learned English well, albeit with an accent, in their first school year.  They're starting to mix with other kids too.  If you go to the Eaton Centre, a big mall downtown, you see kids that are evenly mixed between groups.  That means you will see a group with black, Asian, Muslim and white kids.  I remember seeing that in Cuba in the 1980s.  Surely I admit that I have rose-coloured hippie glasses but socialization is a strong societal force and I don't see why it shouldn't happen with these new groups.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #216 on: September 22, 2017, 08:40:42 am »
So, just to brainstorm this, can anybody suggest reasons why increasing religiosity is a Good Thing in our present day?   It seems to me as if many of the problems we're grappling with are in some way or another linked to religious attitudes in our distant or not-so-distant past.

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I sure don't.  I don't have time to find it again, but I ran across a Pew study that said the more religious a culture or society was, the more oppression against gays, women and minorities existed.  It didn't matter which religion, it was essentially across the board.   And, in Alabama the 10-Commandments Judge, Roy Moore, could become governor(1); he thinks gay people should be in jail(2). 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/28/ten-commandments-judge-roy-moores-star-rising-in-alabama-senate-runoff-race.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/21/politics/kfile-roy-moore-homosexuality-illegal/index.html

Lots of people are afraid Muslims are going to impose Sharia on Western society, but I think Christians are in a much better position to impose the Christian equivalent, whatever that is.  I don't think that will happen, but it amazes me how many people condemn one group but not the other for what are essentially the same beliefs (aside from apostate penalty; that is one place Islam has it over on Christianity) and miss the increasing power that group has over American politics.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #217 on: September 22, 2017, 10:16:24 am »
I'm certainly aware that there are lots of cultures with ideas I don't agree with...  I believe we just agreed to extradite a Hindu couple to India to stand trial for having had their daughter killed for marrying someone from a lower caste.  I'm not wild about any of it.

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Looks like it's not gonna happen:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/extradition-of-bc-mother-uncle-for-alleged-honour-killing-halted-by-last-minute-ruling/ar-AAskiW2?li=AAggFp5

What will happen now?  Do they just get away with it because they are in Canada?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #218 on: September 22, 2017, 11:41:35 am »
Looks like it's not gonna happen:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/extradition-of-bc-mother-uncle-for-alleged-honour-killing-halted-by-last-minute-ruling/ar-AAskiW2?li=AAggFp5

What will happen now?  Do they just get away with it because they are in Canada?

This is Canada. Everyone has their right to ten or twenty years in court.
If this was the UK they'd have been extradited years ago and already be serving their time.
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« Reply #219 on: September 22, 2017, 11:51:07 am »
They're really about culture clash.  'Increasing religiosity' is only a side-effect of applying our laws to new immigrant groups.

No, it's not about culture, except culture inspired by religion. And the increasing religiosity is among Muslims as compared to ten years ago, not related to our laws. We see this increasing religious devotion and conservatism throughout the Muslim world, not just in Canada. The most visible aspects are men growing beards and women enveloping themselves in cloth (the latter being more predictable than the former). Of course, these are merely the visible aspects of a religion which, as Michael Cook states:

“the historical salience of warfare against unbelievers … was thus written into the foundational texts” of Islam.

To bring in a few things which have come up in ... other discussions( thanks Goddess). I would like to cite Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her excellent piece in Foreign Policy Magazine on why Islam is violent, and the difficulty of interpreting it. It's an easy read and I urge anyone interested in the subject to do so.

The fundamental problem is that the majority of otherwise peaceful and law-abiding Muslims are unwilling to acknowledge, much less to repudiate, the theological warrant for intolerance and violence embedded in their own religious texts

 http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09/islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2017, 11:55:06 am »
Lots of people are afraid Muslims are going to impose Sharia on Western society, but I think Christians are in a much better position to impose the Christian equivalent, whatever that is. 

And yet Christians never have, even when the West was much more religious, and it has grown increasingly less religious and more secular over the centuries. Why even compare it to Islam, then which is going in the opposite direction?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #221 on: September 22, 2017, 11:57:36 am »
And yet Christians never have, even when the West was much more religious

I hope you weren't making a serious statement.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #222 on: September 22, 2017, 12:58:57 pm »
He never heard of Fruit Machines. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_machine_(homosexuality_test)

Or maybe he thinks those came from liberal secular values. Who knows.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #223 on: September 22, 2017, 03:53:02 pm »
I hope you weren't making a serious statement.

There IS no equivalent of Sharia among Christians. It would have to be invented. Christianity has never sought to do so.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #224 on: September 22, 2017, 03:59:59 pm »
He never heard of Fruit Machines. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_machine_(homosexuality_test)

Or maybe he thinks those came from liberal secular values. Who knows.

They came from disliking homosexuals, likely from aversion to the thought of men having sex together. You think that's something unique to Christianity? There were laws on homosexual men being castrated in Assyria over a thousand years before Christ was born.
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