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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2017, 10:20:58 pm »
Here is an example of butt sore conservative snowflake policy affecting people:  https://twitter.com/saundramitchell/status/890219554705735681


Rather than sucking it up and treating queer people like humans gotta discharge them as "mentally unfit."

Heaven forbid if a homophobic conservative turd had to share the same trench as a queer....  ::)
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2017, 08:35:59 am »
The irony over not allowing trans people into the US military is we are supposed to fear being alone with one in a bathroom.

But I guess not all wars are fought in bathrooms!
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2017, 11:28:48 am »
The irony over not allowing trans people into the US military is we are supposed to fear being alone with one in a bathroom.

But I guess not all wars are fought in bathrooms!

No, this is an urban-rural war. Trump (most definitely not and never a conservative) is throwing some meat to his rural base of support. It's not something everyone even who calls themselves a conservative in the US wanted.

Log Cabin Republicans President Gregory T. Angelo said Wednesday that “the president’s statement this morning does a disservice to transgender military personnel,”

And from bible thumping Orrin Hatch of Utah, came the following twitter reply to Trump:

"I don't think we should be discriminating against anyone. Transgender people are people, and deserve the best we can do for them. I look forward to getting much more information and clarity from our military about the policy the president tweeted today."

And Republican Sen. Joni Ernst, from Iowa,  told the Des Moines Register that she disagrees with the military ban and says anyone who's qualified should be allowed to serve.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #123 on: September 11, 2017, 08:58:06 am »
How moronic can progressives get when they adopt a 'cause' like transgederism? How about suspending a six year old boy from school because he was confused about why another boy came to school dressed as a girl?

The couple said under the school's bullying policy their son faced being disciplined for "mis-gendering" the six-year-old pupil.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #124 on: September 11, 2017, 08:59:54 am »
That'just dumb.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #125 on: September 11, 2017, 09:06:14 am »
How moronic can progressives get when they adopt a 'cause' like transgederism? How about suspending a six year old boy from school because he was confused about why another boy came to school dressed as a girl?
 

Right, but a story like that goes Global not because it's especially concerning, not because it calls serious issues into question, but because it's sensational.

The best way to ignore extremism is to ignore it, for the most part.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #126 on: September 11, 2017, 11:26:41 am »
Right, but a story like that goes Global not because it's especially concerning, not because it calls serious issues into question, but because it's sensational.

The best way to ignore extremism is to ignore it, for the most part.

Unless government adopts that extremism. There are a lot of people who feel Trudeau's inclusion of transgenders in human rights legislation will leave people open to prosecution for not using what nouns they want to be used to describe themselves, for example, or to harken back on an earlier time in this topic, if they refuse anatomical males who say they're female access to female restrooms and changing rooms.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2017, 11:28:58 am »
Unless government adopts that extremism. There are a lot of people who feel Trudeau's inclusion of transgenders in human rights legislation will leave people open to prosecution for not using what nouns they want to be used to describe themselves, for example, or to harken back on an earlier time in this topic, if they refuse anatomical males who say they're female access to female restrooms and changing rooms.
There's also many people who think Trudeau is a secret Muslim who's instituting Sharia Law in Canada and importing terrorists.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #128 on: September 11, 2017, 11:33:36 am »
There's also many people who think Trudeau is a secret Muslim who's instituting Sharia Law in Canada and importing terrorists.

Well, I don't think he's a secret Muslim. I don't think Trudeau believes in religion at all. As for importing terrorism, since almost all terrorism comes from the Muslim world, the more Muslims you import, the more terrorism you will get. It's no coincidence that terrorism in Europe is heaviest in countries with the most Muslims and non-existent in those with no Muslims.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #129 on: September 11, 2017, 11:51:36 am »
Well, I don't think he's a secret Muslim. I don't think Trudeau believes in religion at all. As for importing terrorism, since almost all terrorism comes from the Muslim world, the more Muslims you import, the more terrorism you will get. It's no coincidence that terrorism in Europe is heaviest in countries with the most Muslims and non-existent in those with no Muslims.

"Almost all terrorism comes from the Muslim world"? Think you put your foot in it again there. I'd like to see your stats to back that one up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2017, 12:06:39 pm »
As for importing terrorism, since almost all terrorism comes from the Muslim world, the more Muslims you import, the more terrorism you will get.
Aside from the fact that right-wing lone wolf extremism is characterized as a much greater threat to people in the West, this is just entirely wrong.

You think we're just drawing a random sample of people from the Muslim world, including radicals and whatnot? You think the doors are completely open? That's the only possible way you can believe this nonsense. Aside from it being an ecological fallacy, there is a multi-million dollar vetting process that happens for immigrants, as well as refugees. It also ignores the fact that almost every person you would consider from the "Muslim World" (whatever that means anyway) comes here to escape the violence back home. We're not just taking in random samples of people that have the same percentage of radical Islamists in it as the entire demographics in whatever countries you're considering. We take in professionals, families, and people fleeing violence.

Of course, an Arab is an Arab, eh? Forget the Lebanese Christians who come in. They're from the "Muslim World" so they must be terrorists. Forget the Muslim Asians from places like Indonesia. Terrorists. Forget that countries in the Muslim World have elected women leaders, when we've yet to do it ourselves. Those voters must have been terrorists too.

I've said it before, you do not recognize that there's as much differences in Muslim people from around the world as there is between Bernie Sanders and The Westboro Baptist Church. You seem to think we're letting in a bunch of the Westboro Baptists with zero evidence that this is the case. Hell, they don't even have to be Muslims. Look at that woman who was shouting in Jagmeet Singh's face. She's too stupid to even realize what religion he follows, let alone to understand that Islam has no central authority and there's as much difference between Muslims as there are between Christmas and Easter Catholics and Evangelical Hate-Mongers like Westboro. And you too seem to suffer from this ignorance. A Muslim is a Muslim and they aren't welcome in your country because they look funny, they talk funny, and they dress funny, so they all must be terrorists. Surely the government doesn't vet applicants who want to live here. All that money they spend on immigration must be going towards other things.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2017, 07:54:40 pm »
Aside from the fact that right-wing lone wolf extremism is characterized as a much greater threat to people in the West, this is just entirely wrong.

I've looked at that. The statistics are based on all these far right cranks living out there, survivalist types, anti-government types, extremist rednecks. They're not dangerous except to the authorities who try to police them. They're not going to be setting off car bombs in markets or opening fire in shopping malls or trying to blow up the CN tower. When they commit violence it is, in most cases, by resisting police and authorities. And any groups of more than a half a dozen probably have an FBI/RCMP informant planted among them. And they're not going to be flying fully loaded passenger liners into buildings, either, because suicide is not high on their bucket lists.

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You think we're just drawing a random sample of people from the Muslim world, including radicals and whatnot? You think the doors are completely open?

Yes, and yes.

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Aside from it being an ecological fallacy, there is a multi-million dollar vetting process that happens for immigrants, as well as refugees.

No, there really isn't. In fact, ninety percent of immigrants never even meet an immigration officer until they land in Canada and go through customs. They send in forms and documentation, some of which might or might not be fake (such as university degrees). Their names are checked against lists of known terrorist organization members, and they're checked to see if they have a criminal record. That's it, as far as security vetting goes. It isn't any better for refugees. How can we check up on a Syrian we find in a refugee camp who has no papers anyway? Ask the Syrian government? If they're not on a terrorist list that's as far as it goes.

And, of course, the political elites have specifically rejected the idea of trying to ascertain whether they're religious/cultural/social views are hostile to the ones we hold.

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It also ignores the fact that almost every person you would consider from the "Muslim World" (whatever that means anyway) comes here to escape the violence back home.

Not actually. Almost every person who comes here does so because this is a rich country and they want some of that. They have an opportunity for a better, richer life here, as do their kids. There are lots of peaceful poor countries and nobody wants to go and live there for the peace, now do they? All those migrants that flooded into Europe wanted nothing to do with Turkey, Greece, Italy, Serbia and those other countries they were desperate to get past. They wanted to get to the rich northern European countries like Sweden, the UK and Germany.

Further, I doubt any of them thought the violence was because of Islam, so there's no reason for them to forswear any aspects of Islam.

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Of course, an Arab is an Arab, eh? Forget the Lebanese Christians who come in. They're from the "Muslim World" so they must be terrorists.

Why do you people keep resorting to brainless snot like this? I've already said I'd rather have taken twice as many Syrian Christians than Syrian Muslims. I have no problem with Lebanese Christians either. It's not a racial thing. I had my hair cut today by a Lebanese Christian guy and his skin was as white as mine.

You also resort to that knee-jerk accusation that I believe all Muslims are terrorists when I've explicitly stated on MANY occasions I believe no such thing. I don't even believe every Muslim from the Muslim world is extreme in their social beliefs. And I've said that repeatedly, as well.

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I've said it before, you do not recognize that there's as much differences in Muslim people from around the world as there is between Bernie Sanders and The Westboro Baptist Church.

Yeah? Which of the 57 Muslim nations around the world treats women equal to men? Which one treats non-Muslims equal to Muslims? Which one has no problem with Jews? Which one has gay pride parades? The rate of female genital mutilation is over 90% in Egypt, and Mali - and in Malaysia - and rising in Indonesia where it was 50% last study. What does Mali have to do with Malaysia other than Islam?

Find me this mythical land of liberal, tolerant, peaceful Muslims that we can import. Do.

My position has always been perfectly clear, clear enough I would have thought anyone of moderate intelligence would have discerned it by now. We get more economically successful immigrants from almost anywhere else, according to the government's own studies. And the ones from other parts of the world don't come with the threat of extreme social views which are hostile to our own, views which are embedded in their religious values. So why should we be bringing in so many from the Muslim world?

You have a university where half the students you hire wind up being fired within the first year for incompetence, and three more universities where almost none get fired in the first year - with lots and lots of candidates. Why the hell would you go recruiting at the first university again? Because you want to prove how inclusive you are? How bloody precious.

Who's going to assimilate faster, an Irishman or an Afghan?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2017, 09:34:44 pm »
I've looked at that. The statistics are based on all these far right cranks living out there, survivalist types, anti-government types, extremist rednecks. They're not dangerous except to the authorities who try to police them. They're not going to be setting off car bombs in markets or opening fire in shopping malls or trying to blow up the CN tower. When they commit violence it is, in most cases, by resisting police and authorities. And any groups of more than a half a dozen probably have an FBI/RCMP informant planted among them. And they're not going to be flying fully loaded passenger liners into buildings, either, because suicide is not high on their bucket lists.

Yes, and yes.

No, there really isn't. In fact, ninety percent of immigrants never even meet an immigration officer until they land in Canada and go through customs. They send in forms and documentation, some of which might or might not be fake (such as university degrees). Their names are checked against lists of known terrorist organization members, and they're checked to see if they have a criminal record. That's it, as far as security vetting goes. It isn't any better for refugees. How can we check up on a Syrian we find in a refugee camp who has no papers anyway? Ask the Syrian government? If they're not on a terrorist list that's as far as it goes.

And, of course, the political elites have specifically rejected the idea of trying to ascertain whether they're religious/cultural/social views are hostile to the ones we hold.

Not actually. Almost every person who comes here does so because this is a rich country and they want some of that. They have an opportunity for a better, richer life here, as do their kids. There are lots of peaceful poor countries and nobody wants to go and live there for the peace, now do they? All those migrants that flooded into Europe wanted nothing to do with Turkey, Greece, Italy, Serbia and those other countries they were desperate to get past. They wanted to get to the rich northern European countries like Sweden, the UK and Germany.

Further, I doubt any of them thought the violence was because of Islam, so there's no reason for them to forswear any aspects of Islam.

Why do you people keep resorting to brainless snot like this? I've already said I'd rather have taken twice as many Syrian Christians than Syrian Muslims. I have no problem with Lebanese Christians either. It's not a racial thing. I had my hair cut today by a Lebanese Christian guy and his skin was as white as mine.

You also resort to that knee-jerk accusation that I believe all Muslims are terrorists when I've explicitly stated on MANY occasions I believe no such thing. I don't even believe every Muslim from the Muslim world is extreme in their social beliefs. And I've said that repeatedly, as well.

Yeah? Which of the 57 Muslim nations around the world treats women equal to men? Which one treats non-Muslims equal to Muslims? Which one has no problem with Jews? Which one has gay pride parades? The rate of female genital mutilation is over 90% in Egypt, and Mali - and in Malaysia - and rising in Indonesia where it was 50% last study. What does Mali have to do with Malaysia other than Islam?

Find me this mythical land of liberal, tolerant, peaceful Muslims that we can import. Do.

My position has always been perfectly clear, clear enough I would have thought anyone of moderate intelligence would have discerned it by now. We get more economically successful immigrants from almost anywhere else, according to the government's own studies. And the ones from other parts of the world don't come with the threat of extreme social views which are hostile to our own, views which are embedded in their religious values. So why should we be bringing in so many from the Muslim world?

You have a university where half the students you hire wind up being fired within the first year for incompetence, and three more universities where almost none get fired in the first year - with lots and lots of candidates. Why the hell would you go recruiting at the first university again? Because you want to prove how inclusive you are? How bloody precious.

Who's going to assimilate faster, an Irishman or an Afghan?

More unsubstantiated "statistics" from Argus. Our immigration system is at least as stringent if not more than that of the US. The main difference is we don't discriminate based on religion, kinda like your buddy Trump wants to do. The point system launched years ago has proven very successful. We purposefully don't rely on interviewing immigrants because of the potential for bias. Can you imagine if you were an immigration officer conducting interviews? I expect anybody with brown skin would be doomed as soon as they walked in the door.

https://www.geramilaw.com/blog/canadas-immigration-and-refugee-screening-process.html

http://www.chatelaine.com/living/politics/canadian-immigration-citizenship/
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2017, 09:35:12 pm »
You simply don't operate in reality. I've worked with plenty of Muslim people,who,I would rather have as a neighbour and share more in common with than I do with you.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2017, 06:05:45 am »
I've looked at that. The statistics are based on all these far right cranks living out there, survivalist types, anti-government types, extremist rednecks. They're not dangerous except to the authorities who try to police them. They're not going to be setting off car bombs in markets or opening fire in shopping malls or trying to blow up the CN tower. When they commit violence it is, in most cases, by resisting police and authorities. And any groups of more than a half a dozen probably have an FBI/RCMP informant planted among them. And they're not going to be flying fully loaded passenger liners into buildings, either, because suicide is not high on their bucket lists.

Is this information reflected in my post on MLW ?

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/26901-freedom-of-speech/?do=findComment&comment=1267387

For a much smaller group, the far-right seems to do a similar amount of damage.