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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2017, 07:43:33 pm »
You didn't know white males were so hard done by?

I've heard rumors.  I'm just trying to piece together how the comic MH linked to could be interpreted as a sneer against straight white males.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2017, 08:07:31 pm »
You didn't know white males were so hard done by?

He didn't say they were hard done by.  He said progressives hate them the most.  Which is pretty much a given, as progressives aren't allowed to hate anyone else.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2017, 07:47:47 am »
I've heard rumors.  I'm just trying to piece together how the comic MH linked to could be interpreted as a sneer against straight white males.

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Me too.  It seems like the whole thing is a plea for listening.  There is nothing in that that threatens anyone, except those who think that old narratives about gender need to be protected against discussion.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2017, 11:44:27 am »
Conservatives need a safe space from social change. It hurst their fragile little sensibilities.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2017, 12:23:34 pm »
Me too.  It seems like the whole thing is a plea for listening.  There is nothing in that that threatens anyone, except those who think that old narratives about gender need to be protected against discussion.

It was a collection of very poorly drawn cliche's which have been around for decades. Why anyone would laud this as some sort of insight into gender relations is beyond me.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2017, 12:24:50 pm »
Conservatives need a safe space from social change. It hurst their fragile little sensibilities.

Really? And yet nowhere have conservatives ever asked for or designed such a space. Odd, that, don't you think? It always seems to be progressives desperately in need of safe spaces to protect their delicate sensibilities from opinions which might disturb them.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2017, 12:32:05 pm »
I've heard rumors.  I'm just trying to piece together how the comic MH linked to could be interpreted as a sneer against straight white males.

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It was part and parcel of the continuing message progressives have been delivering for some time now. Whether it's imaginary '**** culture' on campuses or the plethora of protective rules and regulations around normal human interactions. Progressives claim women are equals but they want them treated and coddled and encouraged like infants.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2017, 12:44:29 pm »
It was a collection of very poorly drawn cliche's which have been around for decades. Why anyone would laud this as some sort of insight into gender relations is beyond me.

Maybe you read more feminist comics than I do, then, as some of these ideas were new to me.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2017, 12:53:35 pm »
You think I'm diffident and obsequious?

I have ZERO doubt on that score, not when you're addressing Muslims. Probably bow your head too.

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Anyway, yeah - they don't like to be criticized.  Neither do you;

But you weren't criticizing THEM. You were criticizing religion, a topic. Most often when we discuss Islam I am criticizing Islam and you, in turn (as here) are criticizing ME.

I know you don't understand the difference. It outrages you that anyone disagrees with you and you can't restrain yourself from attacking them.

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Yeah, I am aware of the incidence of FGM in Egypt, and also that it applies equally to Christians in Egypt.  That is the part that you consistently ignore:  FGM and many other practices within the Middle East are cultural and not specifically Islamic.

And Egypt is what percentage Muslim? Where does the culture and values of Egypt come from? Not from Christians, who are a despised and endangered minority. Give Egypt another fifty or sixty years and there will be no Christians there anyway.

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That is what I object to when you go on about how barbaric Muslims are.

Name one Muslim country anyone sane would choose to live. In every list, be it human rights abuses, educational achievements, violent religious extremism, it is clear that the Muslim world is the slow kid in the class. There are fifty of them and not one is a real democracy.
   
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If the only time these people wore a burka was to oppress woman, your analogy might stand.  But sadly for you, a woman in a burka may actually not follow the agenda you've set out for her.

Your continued insistence that a devoted, conservative Muslim who wraps herself in stiffing bedsheets everywhere she goes might not follow the agenda GOD set out for her is as brainless as the thought that someone in a KKK hood has a deep and abiding respect for Jews and Blacks.

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You proved that wrong when you argued passionately that the women JT chose for his cabinet could not have been as qualified as any male available.

Again, reality eludes you. I'm the one who believes in equality. Which means, I presume that men and women in Trudeau's caucus are equally talented (which is probably an error in that the ways are greased for women and minorities, but never mind). So if roughly a quarter of his caucus is female but he names half his cabinet as female that is a pretty strong indication - born out by experience now - that he's named women as minister simply because they ARE women.

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Nope.  You assume that if JT appointed a woman, then it was for political reasons,

Everything Trudeau does is for political reasons. This is the style over substance government, after all.

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You reject the notion that perhaps in previous administrations, fully-qualified women were passed over in favor of men - because in your world, men are the natural recipients of status and power.

First, I've never rejected any such notion, as it's never been discussed. Second, what is this but an inference that if there was prejudice against women in the past we should give them jobs now regardless of whether they deserve them?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2017, 12:55:30 pm »
Maybe you read more feminist comics than I do, then, as some of these ideas were new to me.

Name one.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2017, 03:09:55 pm »
Name one.

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Weird.  Seems like you want to help me make my point.  I don't think I CAN name one.  So I'm at zero.  How about you ?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2017, 03:12:50 pm »
Really? And yet nowhere have conservatives ever asked for or designed such a space. Odd, that, don't you think? It always seems to be progressives desperately in need of safe spaces to protect their delicate sensibilities from opinions which might disturb them.

Agreed.

Conservatives would rather impose spaces upon all of the rest of us to protect themselves and their precious delicate sensibilities.

Well, maybe it's time the rest of us to tell the conservatives to F'off, suck it up, and pee next to other human beings in a civilized manner.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2017, 06:05:29 pm »
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Weird.  Seems like you want to help me make my point.  I don't think I CAN name one.  So I'm at zero.  How about you ?

I said they were cliches. You said they were new to you. Now you can't name any which are new and think I'm making your point?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2017, 06:06:55 pm »
Agreed.

Conservatives would rather impose spaces upon all of the rest of us to protect themselves and their precious delicate sensibilities.

What spaces to conservatives want to impose on the 'rest of us' to protect themselves?

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Well, maybe it's time the rest of us to tell the conservatives to F'off, suck it up, and pee next to other human beings in a civilized manner.

Conservatives, unlike progressives, are not obsessed with toilets. Perhaps because, unlike progressives, the majority of our policy beliefs don't belong in them.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2017, 10:43:52 pm »
Conservatives want to ensure well marked bathrooms with someone checking for **** at the door....
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