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« Reply #615 on: December 01, 2018, 06:48:43 pm »
"how little it took"... as I understand, Ms. Murphy had multiple suspensions prior to the outright ban (at least 2); in order to return from each suspension, she complied with requests from TheTwitter to delete particular tweets in question. Upon return from her final suspension, she appears somewhat "miffed" at TheTwitter... and was banned for the following tweet... not for what you describe as, "Twitter's official position on the Ms. Murphy ban (as she had deleted those particular tweets in order to return from suspension":

This is f—— bull—, @twitter. I’m not allowed to say that men aren’t women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi-billion dollar company is censoring basic facts and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is insane.

It does seem odd that she would be banned for that.  Still, I know nothing of tweets and such.  Maybe they are especially delicate.  Like poodles or something.
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« Reply #616 on: December 01, 2018, 11:36:43 pm »
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« Reply #617 on: December 02, 2018, 08:16:52 am »
When they're obviously NOT X then it's either an indication of dishonesty or serious mental illness.
Only a tiny number of people are actually transgendered, but now they're coming out of the woodwork as all the progressive idiots sieze on this as the latest fad and all sorts of mentally unbalanced people suddenly 'discover' that they're transgendered.

You need to cite if you're trying to say that we have a surge of fake trans women 'coming out of the woodwork'.  Seems like another fake crisis to me.

If someone says "I feel like I am a woman" I think the default is to agree with them, especially given the scorn, ridicule and especially physical violence that they are exposing themselves to.  It's an unequal price to pay to be able to peer at women in locker rooms.
 
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Yeah, that happens at least once or twice a year.

How often are fake trans women found out ?

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With you ignoring reality and ignoring the point I made COMPLETELY that people are not going to be able to gather together in their outrage and put a stop to this sort of lunacy because progressives now venerate the idea of transgenders and anyone who complains is subject to abuse and attack. Which you will shrug and ignore because, like, well, there's no stats on that.

The idea that our public system of dialogue is broken is chiefly held by people who want to break our public system of dialogue.  Although there are many signs that such systems are readjusting to new media - the most recent presidential election being weighty evidence - there's no evidence I can see that these systems will now stop or be seized by special interests.

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« Reply #618 on: December 02, 2018, 10:04:30 am »
You need to cite if you're trying to say that we have a surge of fake trans women 'coming out of the woodwork'.  Seems like another fake crisis to me.

Simple arithmetic should suffice. They only constitute less than half a percent of the population. And of those I doubt more than 10% would be willing to put themselves in everyone's face and make outrageous demands. Yet there's been cite after cite posted here (none of which you will read, I know) showing how much they've intruded into the public sphere and into organized harassment of anyone who disagrees with them.

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If someone says "I feel like I am a woman" I think the default is to agree with them,

And if I say I feel like a panda will you agree with me?

You know, the saying "I'm a lesbian on the inside" is an ironic one meant largely for amusement value by men, who basically are just saying they lust after women too. I never thought I'd see idiots actually claiming to BE women lesbians and demanding lesbians sleep with them. And I never thought I'd see anyone taking them seriously.

Sometimes you just have to say 'Bullshit".


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The idea that our public system of dialogue is broken is chiefly held by people who want to break our public system of dialogue.  Although there are many signs that such systems are readjusting to new media - the most recent presidential election being weighty evidence - there's no evidence I can see that these systems will now stop or be seized by special interests.

Special interests took over our public systems long ago. Where have you been? You talk about the US? Poll after poll has shown what the great majority of people want, and their government has ignored it all for decades.

As to special 'social interests', political cowardice is the norm, not the exception.

On 21 November, a debate took place in the House of Commons about proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act to make it easier for transgender people to self-identify as men or women. Among the public, this is a widely discussed issue, with most echoing the concerns of feminists about the risks of allowing biological males to enter women’s changing rooms, etc. But until last week the issue hadn’t been debated in the Commons, partly because MPs who have reservations about changing the law are afraid to speak out. Sure enough, nearly all the backbench MPs who contributed to the debate toed the line of the trans-rights activists.

The ex-lobby correspondent James Kirkup, now director of the Social Market Foundation, has become a must-read commentator on this issue and he recently disclosed he’s been keeping a ‘private list’ of people who’ve told him they’re deeply worried about gender self-identification, but haven’t said anything: ‘That list includes: more than a dozen government ministers (including cabinet members); several Labour frontbenchers; numerous backbench MPs (the majority female); lots of BBC journalists (some very famous); charity executives; senior business people; teachers, lawyers, doctors and other professionals; and lots of ‘ordinary’ women who can’t understand why the potential implications of a law change are not being addressed.’


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/why-were-lying-to-ourselves-over-trans-rights/
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« Reply #619 on: December 02, 2018, 01:02:03 pm »
Simple arithmetic should suffice. They only constitute less than half a percent of the population. And of those I doubt more than 10% would be willing to put themselves in everyone's face and make outrageous demands. Yet there's been cite after cite posted here (none of which you will read, I know) showing how much they've intruded into the public sphere and into organized harassment of anyone who disagrees with them.

Arithmetic without a cite isn't useful here.  You have quoted .5% and 10% and on the other side "how much they've intruded into the public sphere" again with no numbers.

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And if I say I feel like a panda will you agree with me?

Well, yes.  How can anybody tell you how YOU feel ? 

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You know, the saying "I'm a lesbian on the inside" is an ironic one meant largely for amusement value by men, who basically are just saying they lust after women too. I never thought I'd see idiots actually claiming to BE women lesbians and demanding lesbians sleep with them. And I never thought I'd see anyone taking them seriously.

Sometimes you just have to say 'Bullshit".

I think telling people they are lying when they express their feelings to you, absent of other information, is arrogant and unhelpful.

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Special interests took over our public systems long ago. Where have you been? You talk about the US? Poll after poll has shown what the great majority of people want, and their government has ignored it all for decades.

I really regret using that term.  Yes, the government ignores what people want ... but for a spectrum of reasons.  I would say money is a clear corruptor of our democratic systems but there doesn't seem to be enough will to address that one.  As such, I don't think trans women are a significant threat in proportion to that.


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https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/why-were-lying-to-ourselves-over-trans-rights/

Well, I think the Spectator is a real paper, as I recall, so I will take your post as reasonable evidence in support of your thesis.  But it is an opinion, and inflammatory at that: " Its high priests have mastered the art of creating the impression that their neo-Marxist beliefs are much more widespread than they really are."  Neo-Marxism isn't part of this, unless the late Jim Flaherty was a Marxist.  (He wasn't.)

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #620 on: December 02, 2018, 01:53:22 pm »
"how little it took"... as I understand, Ms. Murphy had multiple suspensions prior to the outright ban (at least 2); in order to return from each suspension, she complied with requests from TheTwitter to delete particular tweets in question. Upon return from her final suspension, she appears somewhat "miffed" at TheTwitter... and was banned for the following tweet... not for what you describe as, "Twitter's official position on the Ms. Murphy ban (as she had deleted those particular tweets in order to return from suspension":

This is f—— bull—, @twitter. I’m not allowed to say that men aren’t women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi-billion dollar company is censoring basic facts and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is insane.

Simply false. That is not the Tweet that got Murphy banned. This is the communication she received from them explaining her ban, referring specifically to her "misgendering" of the dude in question:



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« Reply #621 on: December 02, 2018, 02:18:41 pm »
Arithmetic without a cite isn't useful here.  You have quoted .5% and 10% and on the other side "how much they've intruded into the public sphere" again with no numbers.

I can't vouch for the veracity of this figure from the UK, but an increase of 2500% in 9 years sounds like an epidemic.

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The number of children identifying as transgender is on the rise. Referrals to the NHS’s Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service have increased by an astonishing 2,500 per cent in the past nine years. Psychotherapist Bob Withers is concerned that large numbers of children are being transitioned unnecessarily, and that discussion of this phenomenon is being closed down by trans activists.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/30/we-are-experimenting-on-children/


Dr Withers expresses concern that many people are being transitioned unnecessarily, and that people who desperately want to transition are receiving coaching so that they can give psychologists the answers they want to hear to approve transitioning.  He argues that while people may be strongly convinced that transitioning is the only answer to their problems, Dr Withers argues that for some or many, gender dysphoria is a symptom of other psychological issues that won't be addressed by transitioning. And, he is concerned that psychologists may be approving unnecessary transitions out of fear of being labeled transphobic.



Well, yes.  How can anybody tell you how YOU feel ? 

I think telling people they are lying when they express their feelings to you, absent of other information, is arrogant and unhelpful.

Argus might "feel like a panda", but that doesn't mean the zoo is going to let him into the cage to eat shoots and leaves and waddle around with natal (Assigned Panda At Birth) pandas.


Rachel Dolezal is apparently convinced that she is black, even she has white parents and grew up as a decidedly pale little girl.  Nobody accepts her self-identification as a black person, even though she changed her appearance to a degree that she was able to carry out the ruse for years.


Rachel Dolezal: "I just know that on the inside, I'm black."

Progressives: "That is so **** offensive! You grew up with white privilege, you don't have any idea what it is like to grow up as a black person in America. You're laying claim to history and heritage and experiences that you can't possibly understand! This cultural appropriation! You're turning black peoples' lives into a **** cosplay!"


Trans-identified male: "I just know that on the inside, I'm a woman."

Progressives: "Obviously! No problem!"




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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #622 on: December 02, 2018, 02:45:46 pm »
Simply false. That is not the Tweet that got Murphy banned.

no - your post is, as you say, simply false... notwithstanding your source is an "Irish comedian" tweet... your graphic speaks to 'suspension' (of which she had several), without regard to its permanence. Here, try this:



note: as I read/interpret, after that "f----bull---" tweet, there was one event/exchange before the ultimate perm ban pin was pulled; specifically, TheTwitter removed the verification symbol (blue check mark) from her account. Apparently, after Ms. Murphy tweeted that the 'verification symbol was removedl' from her account... she was perm banned.

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« Reply #623 on: December 02, 2018, 02:47:22 pm »
I can't vouch for the veracity of this figure from the UK, but an increase of 2500% in 9 years sounds like an epidemic.

For a new program... I would take out the first few years.  There are 13.5 million children in Britain.  at .1% you would have 13,500 kids asking about the program.  As it is there are 2,500... up from 97. 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/30/we-are-experimenting-on-children/

Is there a surge ?  Looks like maybe yes... but SJ's own numbers say .5% of people fall into this group. 

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Dr Withers expresses concern that many people are being transitioned unnecessarily, and that people who desperately want to transition are receiving coaching so that they can give psychologists the answers they want to hear to approve transitioning.  He argues that while people may be strongly convinced that transitioning is the only answer to their problems, Dr Withers argues that for some or many, gender dysphoria is a symptom of other psychological issues that won't be addressed by transitioning. And, he is concerned that psychologists may be approving unnecessary transitions out of fear of being labeled transphobic.

Well that's a breach of ethics for the doctors involved, obviously.

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Argus might "feel like a panda", but that doesn't mean the zoo is going to let him into the cage to eat shoots and leaves and waddle around with natal (Assigned Panda At Birth) pandas.

Uh-huh. 

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Rachel Dolezal is apparently convinced that she is black, even she has white parents and grew up as a decidedly pale little girl.  Nobody accepts her self-identification as a black person, even though she changed her appearance to a degree that she was able to carry out the ruse for years.

Uh-huh.

I don't know what to say about the last two points.  I stated my opinion on this a few posts ago and citing some abuses, or the Rachel Dolezal case doesn't seem to me to be relevant to what I posted.

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« Reply #624 on: December 02, 2018, 03:32:11 pm »
no - your post is, as you say, simply false... notwithstanding your source is an "Irish comedian" tweet... your graphic speaks to 'suspension' (of which she had several), without regard to its permanence. Here, try this:



note: as I read/interpret, after that "f----bull---" tweet, there was one event/exchange before the ultimate perm ban pin was pulled; specifically, TheTwitter removed the verification symbol (blue check mark) from her account. Apparently, after Ms. Murphy tweeted that the 'verification symbol was removedl' from her account... she was perm banned.

Murphy's "f----- bull----" tweet was November 15, nine days before the "Yeeeah it's him" tweet for which she received her final suspension notice.  Your time line is broken.  Concede the point and move on along.

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« Reply #625 on: December 02, 2018, 03:38:54 pm »
Meghan Murphy speaking at a room in the Vancouver Public Library in January, people calling for her to be cancelled.

https://www.straight.com/life/1171981/lgbt-activists-and-organizations-concerned-about-vancouver-public-library-event

Odds that she gets beat up by angry men in dresses?

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« Reply #626 on: December 02, 2018, 03:41:39 pm »
Gawd. All this stuff is just eye rolling to me.
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« Reply #627 on: December 02, 2018, 03:59:02 pm »
You need to cite if you're trying to say that we have a surge of fake trans women 'coming out of the woodwork'.  Seems like another fake crisis to me.

If someone says "I feel like I am a woman" I think the default is to agree with them, especially given the scorn, ridicule and especially physical violence that they are exposing themselves to.  It's an unequal price to pay to be able to peer at women in locker rooms.


You think somebody who continues to call themselves Jonathan and presents themselves to society like this...

...is really in danger of danger of violence for being trans?

If this person gets scorn and ridicule when they go out in public, it's probably because they look like a nerd. But I doubt anybody actually guesses that Jonathan is actually a trans woman when he goes out around town. 


Ditto the guy who decided he was female to save $91 bucks on his insurance.  People seem to be under the impression that he's changed his whole gender identity to save $91.  Why do you assume he did anything other than put an X in the "F" box on his application?

Maybe he did it to make a point about discriminatory insurance prices.
Maybe he did it to make a point about self-identification.
Maybe he was just being a smart-ass or a ****-disturber or "sticking it to the man".

I doubt he gets ridiculed for it. I bet his friends think it's hilarious. It's probably a great conversation starter.  He's probably quite the wag. But I doubt he's done anything to identify as female beyond putting an X in the F box.


How often are fake trans women found out ?

If trans rights activists are to be believed, there is no such thing as a "fake".  "I am because I say I am" is their mantra.  JY isn't fake, because he says he's a woman.

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« Reply #628 on: December 02, 2018, 05:02:52 pm »


You think somebody who continues to call themselves Jonathan and presents themselves to society like this...

...is really in danger of danger of violence for being trans?

"scorn, ridicule and especially physical violence "

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If this person gets scorn and ridicule when they go out in public, it's probably because they look like a nerd. But I doubt anybody actually guesses that Jonathan is actually a trans woman when he goes out around town. 

Yeah, but YOU know it.  So, doesn't everyone now ?

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Ditto the guy who decided he was female to save $91 bucks on his insurance.  People seem to be under the impression that he's changed his whole gender identity to save $91.  Why do you assume he did anything other than put an X in the "F" box on his application?

I have no idea what he did.  I made no assumptions but this makes sense.
 
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If trans rights activists are to be believed, there is no such thing as a "fake".  "I am because I say I am" is their mantra.  JY isn't fake, because he says he's a woman.

Yes, they may indeed be naive in that case, I suppose. 

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I feel like you keep ringing the bell and the bellhop doesn't come.  What are we doing here - are you just trying to figure out which scenario would upset me ?  I'm not getting it.

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« Reply #629 on: December 02, 2018, 06:50:16 pm »
Murphy's "f----- bull----" tweet was November 15, nine days before the "Yeeeah it's him" tweet for which she received her final suspension notice.  Your time line is broken.  Concede the point and move on along.

put up the "Yeah it's him" dated tweet ... what you're implying as, 'nine days later'. (protip: just because your 'Irish comedian' tweets on Nov 25... that means diddly about the date of an embedded tweet he includes)


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