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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #540 on: November 29, 2018, 06:52:37 pm »
So you're saying that the mother is right to force a dress on the boy?

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« Reply #541 on: November 29, 2018, 07:04:31 pm »
So you're saying that the mother is right to force a dress on the boy?
I am saying the state has no business getting involved in the clothing requirements a parent sets out for a child. Question of right or wrong does not enter into the discussion.

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« Reply #542 on: November 29, 2018, 07:48:16 pm »
I am saying the state has no business getting involved in the clothing requirements a parent sets out for a child. Question of right or wrong does not enter into the discussion.

At what point should the state get involved in psychologically damaging parenting.

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« Reply #543 on: November 29, 2018, 08:11:16 pm »
At what point should the state get involved in psychologically damaging parenting.
"Psychologically damaging" is a loaded term because it presumes there is some sort of agreement what is "psychologically damaging" and what is not. For example, these parents would probably be very high on the list of "psychologically damaging" actions for most people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toddlers_%26_Tiaras

Yet, no one is seriously talking about government regulation to stop that kind of parenting.

I think the state needs to limit its interventions to parents who are physically abusive or fail to provide the necessities of life.

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« Reply #544 on: November 29, 2018, 08:15:16 pm »
I think the state needs to limit its interventions to parents who are physically abusive or fail to provide the necessities of life.

Doesn't seem to me to be enough but ok.

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« Reply #545 on: November 29, 2018, 08:30:16 pm »
Doesn't seem to me to be enough but ok.
State power is a blunt instrument. Too many vague rules and the state will cause more harm than it prevents.

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« Reply #546 on: November 29, 2018, 08:39:58 pm »
Doesn't seem to me to be enough but ok.

It certainly is not enough. The state is responsible for the operation of schools across the country and need to be aware of and react to current social environment.

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« Reply #547 on: November 29, 2018, 08:48:19 pm »
It certainly is not enough. The state is responsible for the operation of schools across the country and need to be aware of and react to current social environment.

TimG doesn't trust the government enough, although that may not apply to fields beyond education and science, such as policing.  I know a lot of people who profess a distrust of government still trust them to execute convicted killers without error, for example.
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« Reply #548 on: November 29, 2018, 08:59:03 pm »
TimG doesn't trust the government enough, although that may not apply to fields beyond education and science, such as policing.  I know a lot of people who profess a distrust of government still trust them to execute convicted killers without error, for example.
Now that's an interesting juxtaposition for sure. And we know the latter part has gone wrong a number of times. lucky for us we had the good sense to focus more on education and less on execution.

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« Reply #549 on: November 29, 2018, 09:06:34 pm »
TimG doesn't trust the government enough, although that may not apply to fields beyond education and science, such as policing.  I know a lot of people who profess a distrust of government still trust them to execute convicted killers without error, for example.
Not me. Not against capital punishment but I don't trust that the government won't execute innocent people. The issue is not government but people. There are too many people that will abuse power and the reducing the amount of power bureaucrats have reduces the potential for abuse.

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« Reply #550 on: November 29, 2018, 09:16:30 pm »
Not me. Not against capital punishment but I don't trust that the government won't execute innocent people. 

Well, at least you apply your principles consistently...

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« Reply #551 on: November 29, 2018, 09:22:40 pm »
Not me. Not against capital punishment but I don't trust that the government won't execute innocent people. The issue is not government but people. There are too many people that will abuse power and the reducing the amount of power bureaucrats have reduces the potential for abuse.

Wait, wait wait. Lets ignore the tail end of you babble and deal with the idea you suggest that you don't really care if the government executes innocent people? WOW!
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« Reply #552 on: November 29, 2018, 09:35:45 pm »
Which activists now ?  Are all 'activists' bad ?  What are the homosexual activists up to these days ?  Do activists just quit after equality reaches near-total acceptance.

Which activists?  Any and all activists who are calling for gender identity recognition on demand, and any and all activists who demand that trans-women be treated identically to cisgendered women.  As far as I can tell, those positions seem to be near universal among trans rights activists.


If you agree with those two positions, then you have to agree that "JY" has done nothing wrong and that the villains here are those 16 aestheticians who refused service.

If you accept those two positions staked out by trans rights activists, then you can't argue that "JY" is doing anything wrong, and you can't suggest he is "gaming the system".

People used to say that if we allowed gays to marry people would start marrying dogs next.  What is likely to happen ?  We don't know but I would guess that at a certain point, the public will wake up and see what's happening and either people will be ok with it or they will push back and something will change.

People marrying dogs as a result of gay marriage was a poorly reasoned attempt at "slippery-sloping".  It's a poor analogy to what we're discussing.

People were never really that interested in marrying dogs, so marrying dogs just never took off the way that some people seemed to think it would.

On the other hand, perverts and predators are very interested in gaining access to women's safe spaces.

So you're saying that as assault becomes more common, there will be more of it.  I would think that as something becomes a problem the public becomes aware and there's a reaction.

I am saying that as men identifying themselves as women becomes more common and more accepted, more people will do so for malicious reasons. ie, not because they sincerely believe they are women or because they suffer genuine gender dysphoria, but because they want to invade women's privacy, or live out their sexual fetishes, or claim victimhood, or access to things that have been set aside for women-- like scholarships for girls or equal opportunity placements or women's athletics.

They're creating a system that's tailor made to be abused, and it's going to be abused. It already is being abused.


Your nightmare scenario doesn't seem realistic to me.

This stuff is happening in real life. Why do you find it unrealistic when it's already happening?

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« Reply #553 on: November 29, 2018, 09:47:25 pm »
The tough thing is that if you're really transgender, you're going to know it from an early age most likely.  Like being homosexual.  Then as a truly transgender kid, is being forced into a gender you don't identify with also a form of child abuse?

I say bring your kid to the clothes section at walmart and let them choose whatever clothes they want.  I honestly probably wouldn't care, unless it was sexually suggestive.  Johnny likes rocking a dress.  Who cares.
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« Reply #554 on: November 29, 2018, 09:53:58 pm »
Which activists?  Any and all activists who are calling for gender identity recognition on demand, and any and all activists who demand that trans-women be treated identically to cisgendered women.  As far as I can tell, those positions seem to be near universal among trans rights activists.

So... which ones specifically ?  You seemed to be saying that there were people supporting this person's case.


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People marrying dogs as a result of gay marriage was a poorly reasoned attempt at "slippery-sloping".  It's a poor analogy to what we're discussing.

Aren't you saying that Incels in drag will soon be inundating teenage girls in change rooms ?  Or ...

 
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This stuff is happening in real life. Why do you find it unrealistic when it's already happening?
 

Because there's no scale to it.  As I said, if this is one of those things where a single case upsets you then I understand your concern. 
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