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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #510 on: November 26, 2018, 06:30:20 am »
You think Kimmy is conservative?  ::)

Both of us have traits of both, I would say. 

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #511 on: November 26, 2018, 08:38:40 am »
Man i'm tired of being politically correct (yes i actually hold myself back a lot GASP), **** everybody.

**** the system, **** the world, **** society.  I'm going to go live in the woods.
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« Reply #512 on: November 26, 2018, 09:45:44 am »
Fair jab, but no.

I assumed that you were poking fun at me for some reason or another. But seriously, though, isn't what I said the truth?  How would the mushy middle-ground make their voices heard in this fracas?

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« Reply #513 on: November 26, 2018, 12:12:46 pm »
I didn't say Liberal, I said liberal.  Your understanding of these things is low.  You actually believe the Liberals are 'left'.  Too bad.

If you believe the Liberals are right then you are so far left that your claim to being in the middle is laughable.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #514 on: November 26, 2018, 12:22:10 pm »
I assumed that you were poking fun at me for some reason or another. But seriously, though, isn't what I said the truth?  How would the mushy middle-ground make their voices heard in this fracas?

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So far it's by smiling and nodding agreement at anything transactivists say or do, and at their progressive idiot allies screaming abuse at anyone who questions the sanctity of transactivist demands, and scowling and chiding anyone who disagrees. Also, if progressives want laws banning anyone questioning gender roles liberals will nod judicially and vote for that. You think Trudeau would have a problem with such laws? You think the people at Twitter who banned Megan Murphy are conservatives?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #515 on: November 26, 2018, 12:53:15 pm »
You think the people at Twitter who banned Megan Murphy are conservatives?

Argus, good on ya for whiteknightin' Ms. Murphy... JT's helped to unleash your inner-feminist! Good on ya!

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« Reply #516 on: November 26, 2018, 02:27:29 pm »
Argus, good on ya for whiteknightin' Ms. Murphy... JT's helped to unleash your inner-feminist! Good on ya!

Oh God, it's Waldo, waddling in to look for more ways to insult people. ::)
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #517 on: November 26, 2018, 02:37:11 pm »
Oh God, it's Waldo, waddling in to look for more ways to insult people. ::)

Oh but he does so much more intelligently than you.

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« Reply #518 on: November 26, 2018, 02:43:58 pm »
Oh but he does so much more intelligently than you.

Waldo is just your more flatulent counterpart.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #519 on: November 26, 2018, 02:56:52 pm »
If you believe the Liberals are right then you are so far left that your claim to being in the middle is laughable.

I didn't say that.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #520 on: November 26, 2018, 02:57:54 pm »
I assumed that you were poking fun at me for some reason or another. But seriously, though, isn't what I said the truth?  How would the mushy middle-ground make their voices heard in this fracas?

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The mushies have a lot of power.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #521 on: November 28, 2018, 01:31:31 am »
The mushies have a lot of power.

I'm not feeling that powerful right now. 



The banning of Meghan Murphy from Twitter and Gendertrender from WordPress both relate to current events in Vancouver.

An anonymous Vancouver trans woman (or, allegedly trans, at least) with the initials JY has filed BC Human Rights complaints against 16 Vancouver area aestheticians who refused to wax her lady-testicles.    There are Vancouver businesses that will happily perform a "Bro-Zillian" wax on male customers, but JY specifically sought out independent aestheticians who stated "women only" in their advertisements.  One tends to suspect that JY was more interested in filing Human Rights complaints than in actually getting her balls waxed.


Lawyer John Carpay represented one of these women pro-bono. If the name John Carpay rights a bell, it's probably because he was in hot water earlier this month after comparing the gay rights rainbow flag to the banners of the Nazis or the communists. Carpay runs the "Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms", which I suspect is a pro-Jesus anti-gay think-tank.  Carpay wrote this piece for the "Post-Millennial", which provides some further information about JY and the nature of the complaints against these aestheticians.  I have a hunch that the "Post-Millennial" is a right-wing website of some kind. I really don't know.
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The Justice Centre has been connected with only two of the 16 women, and has provided legal representation to both, without charge.

One of them, Shelah Poyer, is a single mom who works out of her home.  JY was willing to withdraw his complaint in exchange for $2,500.

If JY is demanding similar sums from the other 14 women, he stands to receive as much as $35,000 for dropping his human rights complaints.

For the women without legal representation, the temptation to settle is very strong.

Fighting JY’s discrimination complaint all the way through to a hearing would cost each esthetician $20,000 or $30,000 or more.

Further, those facing a complaint of “gender identity” discrimination may find it extremely difficult to obtain legal representation.

One of the women represented by the Justice Centre had approached, and had been turned down by 26 different lawyers and law firms. All of which cited lack of expertise in human rights proceedings, or fear of offending the transgender lobby, or both.


So how do Meghan Murphy and Gendertrender fit into this?  Gendertrender wrote a column about the situation that mentioned JY by name, and JY filed a complaint.  Someone asked Meghan Murphy if the JY in the HRC complaints was so-and-so, and she replied "yes, it's him." And now they're both gone.


JY's identity is no secret. And, as the John Carpay column explains, the tribunal's order of anonymity is bogus anyway.  It's not like JY would be harmed by being "outed", because she refers to herself in female pronouns on her website.  (even though she also refers to herself by her masculine first name throughout her website... "Matthew started her first business in 1997..." and so on.)  JY is "out", although it seems as though she only actually uses her female name and gender when she goes to the ladies gym.  Regardless, that she identifies as trans is public information.

Nonetheless, Gendertrender and Meghan Murphy have apparently received permanent bans for maliciously "outing" someone who is already "out".

JY is furiously filing all kinds of other complaints as well, to have damaging information removed from all over the internet.  JY has a very large digital footprint, and screenshots of her social network activity paint a very unflattering picture. From complaining that when he goes in the locker room he never sees **** and **** to asking creepy questions about how to approach adolescent girls to talk about tampons, this is a disturbing individual.  I've viewed a lot of these screenshots myself, and there is no doubt in my mind that JY is just a creepy incel who has decided to call himself transgender in an effort to force himself into womens' safe spaces, and to get female aestheticians to handle his dick.


edit to add: Statement from the (former) operator of Gendertrender.



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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #522 on: November 28, 2018, 06:33:28 am »
I'm not feeling that powerful right now. 
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JY is furiously filing all kinds of other complaints as well, to have damaging information removed from all over the internet.  JY has a very large digital footprint, and screenshots of her social network activity paint a very unflattering picture. From complaining that when he goes in the locker room he never sees **** and **** to asking creepy questions about how to approach adolescent girls to talk about tampons, this is a disturbing individual.  I've viewed a lot of these screenshots myself, and there is no doubt in my mind that JY is just a creepy incel who has decided to call himself transgender in an effort to force himself into womens' safe spaces, and to get female aestheticians to handle his dick.
 

Some notes:

The 'system' doesn't guarantee that good people win.  It consists of a set of rules that are played for various purposes.  Overall, it works but there are lots of things that don't make sense along the way.

As such, the people who outed the person in question broke rules and what happened happened.  JY can 'game' the system to get their way, also. 

I agree that the system has power over us, but keep in mind that nothing here has been decided yet. 

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #523 on: November 28, 2018, 07:42:32 am »
Overall, it works but there are lots of things that don't make sense along the way.
Says who? The HRC is an unaccountable Kangaroo court that only benefits scammers who exploit it. Its basic operating rules need to overhauled and it needs to be written into its mandate that is cannot automatically assume that a complainant are sincere and the real victim may be the accused and that the HRC is only allowed to consider the intent of the accused (i.e. it makes no difference is the complainant "felt" like they were discriminated against. The only thing that matters is if it can be shown, on the balance of probabilities, that the accused intended to discriminate).
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #524 on: November 28, 2018, 10:01:25 am »
Some notes:

The 'system' doesn't guarantee that good people win.  It consists of a set of rules that are played for various purposes.  Overall, it works but there are lots of things that don't make sense along the way.

As such, the people who outed the person in question broke rules and what happened happened.  JY can 'game' the system to get their way, also. 

I agree that the system has power over us, but keep in mind that nothing here has been decided yet.


Some notes of my own:

"The mushies" are nowhere in sight.  The only people talking about this are radical feminists, some far-right websites, and a lawyer who compared the rainbow flag to the swastika and the hammer and sickle.   Not a peep from any mainstream news source or commentator or platform about any of this.

The far right and the Jesus lawyer and so-on aren't in this because they love feminists.  They're in this because they hate trans people even more than they hate feminists. I don't like that this situation has put me in the position of cheering for a lawyer who compared the gay rights movement to fascists. I don't like that this situation has me scouring right-wing websites for information. I'm sure that Meghan Murphy hates that she has become the latest darling of the alt-right, just as Lindsay Shepherd did earlier.

The claim that the one woman was turned down by 26 lawyers before "Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom" took on her case is troubling.  Even murderers and rapists and child molesters deserve a legal defense in court, but apparently accused transphobes don't.

The Human Rights complaint process seems terribly tilted.

This "JY" person has provided a sterling example of why many of us are mistrustful of the "identity on demand" mantra favored by the trans rights movement.  It's tailor made to be abused by creeps and predators.



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