Author Topic: Gender Culture  (Read 56099 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10193
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #495 on: November 25, 2018, 10:14:25 pm »
Meghan Murphy now banned from Twitter.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/meghan-murphy/

Considering that Twitter continually turns a blind eye to threats of **** and violence and all manner of hate speech, banning someone for writing "Men are not women" is pretty extraordinary.

The "Gendertrender" page has been banned from Wordpress as well.  The trans activists are handily winning the censorship battle.

Things become "truth" much easier when you're censored and socially vilified for daring even questioning the possibility of it being incorrect.  Imagine us having this same convo on Facebook, we'd be unfriended by a bunch of our friends or at least labeled transphobic **** or something, even if they simply thought it to themselves.  **** the world.  This is why I support people having the right to talk about holocaust denial etc., as long as nobody is threatening anyone with violence or harassing them I support free speech & generally think hate speech laws are **** because it can be used by human rights tribunals etc as thought policing.  Who determines what is hate vs just controversial?  The **** PC Popo Police that's who.

Quote
"Murphy, a native of Vancouver, earned her BA in women’s studies at Simon Fraser University. She earned an MA in Gender, Sexuality, and Women’s Studies at the same university."

WHAT THE BLOODY FUUUCK!?!?
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10193
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #496 on: November 25, 2018, 10:15:48 pm »
Man i'm tired of being politically correct (yes i actually hold myself back a lot GASP), **** everybody.

**** the system, **** the world, **** society.  I'm going to go live in the woods.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley
Agree Agree x 1 Optimistic Optimistic x 2 View List

Offline kimmy

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5033
  • Location: Kim City BC
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #497 on: November 25, 2018, 10:19:52 pm »
Guys - let me know if you need the liberals to help you out, k ?

Lol! You'll sit quietly and watch, because your woke friends will yell at you if you question it.

 -k
Paris - London - New York - Kim City

Offline kimmy

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5033
  • Location: Kim City BC
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #498 on: November 25, 2018, 10:42:49 pm »
What lost it for me are the trans-activists who want to teach kids that the normal "who-am-i" issues many kids experience can/should be solved with hormones and hacking off body parts. On top of this these activists push for legislation/regulation to prevent parents from teaching their kids that they should love the body they have. Child abuse is the only reasonable way to describe what trans-activists are demanding for in schools now.


I've been reading a feminist message board at Reddit that has a thread where women talk about the point where they realized the trans movement has "jumped the shark". One woman's story:


Quote
My 7 year old nephew is very adorable and I love him like he is my own son, so I am very protective of what people say to him or about him. My sister is pretty liberal and decided years ago that she would not enforce gender roles on him. She isn't against stereotypical gender roles, she just doesn't want to force them on him and instead wants him to do whatever makes him happy and grow up as a person with as little outside influence as possible.

He is actually a pretty stereotypical boy in most aspects (loves cars, wrestling, video games, legos, getting dirty, etc), but he does have a few traits that are not typical. His favorite color is pink and purple, he loves dolls, and he likes girly shows (like Sailor Moon and My Little Pony).

Over the last year I've had moments of peak trans but not quite fully there yet. Cause every time any of my liberal friends sees him acting "girly" in any way, they always say the same thing: "Oh MY GOD! That is SO cute how he likes girly things! Maybe he's trans?"

No damn it! He's just a kid that does what he likes and doesn't give a **** if it's "girly" or not. What kills me is how my liberal friends say this **** as if they're being oh so progressive, but all they're really doing is forcing my nephew into a gendered box. Every time me or my sister try to (politely) tell these people that he isn't trans, he's just a kid, they almost always shoot back "But he COULD be trans! What if he is?" Okay? There's no indication that he is trans though. Him playing with dolls or watching Sailor Moon says doesn't prove anything other than he likes dolls and Sailor Moon.

What made me hit peak trans last week was a fall out with a lesbian friend, let's call her Tammy. She's dating a "non-binary" woman and ever since she started dating her she has become insufferable. I've mostly ignored her dumb facebook posts (especially the ones about it being transphobic to not date trans women) but last week she commented on a post I made. I had a picture of my nephew playing with a Sailor Moon wand and the response was over all positive, just commenting how cute he was. Then of course 2 people had to comment that he might be either gay or trans. I politely told them that he was just a 7 year old little kid that had no concept of gender identity, and he was just playing with toys.

Tammy steps in and implies that I shouldn't get upset over people saying my nephew might be trans. I tell her (again, politely as can be) that I do have a problem with people suggesting it, because I don't want him to ever feel like he can only like Sailor Moon if he's gay or trans. I tell her I have no problem with trans people and if my nephew ever came out as trans I would still love him and respect him, but I don't want him to feel pressured into being something he isn't. Why do we have to make it such a big deal? Why can't we just let him play with his damn toys and not act like he's doing something weird or unique just because people think they're meant for girls only?

Tammy goes into a rant: "no one chooses to be trans! You can't be pressured into it! Being trans is dangerous and torturous" blah blah blah. I told her, "you believe that kids are pressured into being straight due to the way society tells them to hate gay/lesbian people right?", she agrees that society does have a hand in shaping how people grow up with homophobia. I then tell her "okay, if you believe that, then why is it hard to believe that kids can be pressured into thinking they're trans when they aren't?". Oh boy, that really pissed her off. She again said that it's different and that no one would choose to be trans and that I'm only worrying about my nephew learning about trans people because I don't like trans people. WHAT?!

Keep in mind, my nephew has an out and obvious transgender day care worker, so obviously my sister doesn't give a **** if he knows about trans people. The thing that me and my sister don't like is suggesting that you are trans if you like Sailor Moon. Two of Tammy's trans friends some how saw the conversation and joined in. I eventually blocked all three of them and deleted all their comments.

**** her and **** this ****. I don't hate trans people, but I hate these insane ideas that have been picking up steam and spreading like a virus.



I spent as much time as possible with my dad when I was a kid. Watching sports on TV, fixing stuff around the house, working on the car,  whatever.   I'm so grateful that this kind of stuff wasn't going on back then, because I can only imagine what kind of damage well-meaning idiots might have done to my psyche and my body.


 -k
Paris - London - New York - Kim City
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #499 on: November 26, 2018, 12:07:09 am »
A discussion on the issue with a neuroscientist.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scientist-refutes-notion-that-gender-identity-is-an-unscientific-liberal-ideology-1.4916508

You didn’t provide a cite for your assertion.  You’ve cited 2 articles that have nothing to do with your assertion.

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #500 on: November 26, 2018, 12:09:01 am »
Guys - let me know if you need the liberals to help you out, k ?

You think Kimmy is conservative?  ::)

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #501 on: November 26, 2018, 12:14:52 am »
You didn’t provide a cite for your assertion.  You’ve cited 2 articles that have nothing to do with your assertion.

Well it was spoken about quite clearly in the discussion article but here's another one for you.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #502 on: November 26, 2018, 12:51:24 am »
Here is your assertion:


Hormone tampering can certainly augment transitioning but it also appears to happen naturally based simply on ones desire.



Your latest article says nothing to support this.  Try again?    ::)
« Last Edit: November 26, 2018, 01:26:31 am by the_squid »

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #503 on: November 26, 2018, 01:25:48 am »
Here is your assertion. 

Your latest article says nothing to support this.  Try again?    ::)

It's not my assertion, it is one that scientific research is showing that what you are born with between your legs does not in all cases dictate how you must conduct your life. I have never had to deal with such a conundrum, but I am understanding how it can be a valid one to some.

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #504 on: November 26, 2018, 01:28:28 am »
It's not my assertion, it is one that scientific research is showing that what you are born with between your legs does not in all cases dictate how you must conduct your life. I have never had to deal with such a conundrum, but I am understanding how it can be a valid one to some.

No, now you’re pretending that you didn’t actually say what you said.  Provide a cite for your hormones changing based on desire remark. 

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #505 on: November 26, 2018, 01:53:34 am »
No, now you’re pretending that you didn’t actually say what you said.  Provide a cite for your hormones changing based on desire remark.

Try listening to the interview again. She distinctly mentions that there is evidence to show gender preference may influence how hormones react. I remind you that I'm not the biological scientist here, so I have to sit up and take notice to what their research has revealed.

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #506 on: November 26, 2018, 03:00:37 am »
Try listening to the interview again. She distinctly mentions that there is evidence to show gender preference may influence how hormones react. I remind you that I'm not the biological scientist here, so I have to sit up and take notice to what their research has revealed.

Cite the research then. “Someone said something” is not research.

Offline kimmy

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5033
  • Location: Kim City BC
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #507 on: November 26, 2018, 03:42:11 am »
Try listening to the interview again. She distinctly mentions that there is evidence to show gender preference may influence how hormones react. I remind you that I'm not the biological scientist here, so I have to sit up and take notice to what their research has revealed.

Here's what the article actually says:

Quote
Van Anders led a recent study looking at the relationship between the "masculine" hormone testosterone and behaviours such as competition and aggression.

She found that the act of engaging in these behaviours was enough to increase testosterone in both men and women — meaning the behaviour was affecting hormones, instead of the other way around.

"So we know that living life as women or men, or as non-binary people, and the gender norms that that involves, can actually influence the ways our hormones act."


She's making one extremely dubious assumption here, and I've bolded it so that even the truly dense can spot it.

If her research indicates that aggressive behavior triggers increased levels of testosterone production, ok. That's plausible.

Where this jumps the shark is the notion that living as a man in our society involves high levels of aggression and competitiveness, while living as a woman is a peaceful tranquil existence free from such mannishness.

Maybe at some points in human history, when a male life meant being a hunter/warrior and a female life meant nurturing children and gathering fruit and seeds, that would be the case. But in our society "the gender norms that involves" don't really differ that much from each other. The idea that a "typical male job" like solving problems at a computer is more aggressive than a "typical female job" like doing invoices at a computer doesn't add up.    I'd also suggest that if trans peoples' lives are as stressful and full of confrontation as we're told, it's quite possible that their typical day involves higher-than-average amounts of these "mannish" emotions that apparently cause increases in testosterone production.



 -k
Paris - London - New York - Kim City

Offline Michael Hardner

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12477
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #508 on: November 26, 2018, 06:22:53 am »
Yes? And defined how? I bet it wasn't defined as "trangender women with penises get to go into female shower rooms and get sent to female prisons and can beat up lesbians if they won't sleep with them."

Yes, the devil is in the details.

I think all of us support the idea that trans people should be allowed to dress as they wish, and live free from threat of violence, and not be fired from their jobs for being trans, and generally be treated with the same dignity as any other human being.  The live and let live thing.  I think those ideas would be supported by a majority in a poll.

I think most of us probably support them using the washroom of their chosen gender, and the pronouns, and so on.  Probably still broadly supported.


But from there, I think things get a lot less clear.

You have articulated a general mapping of rights and accommodations which is exactly how a productive discussion starts.  To me, these boards are about exploring what is possible and how we can 'get along'.

Those who say "this is how it is, deal with it" effectively burn up my goodwill in accommodating their side of the discussion.

Offline Michael Hardner

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12477
Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #509 on: November 26, 2018, 06:27:23 am »
Lol! You'll sit quietly and watch, because your woke friends will yell at you if you question it.

 -k

Fair jab, but no.