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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #450 on: November 24, 2018, 10:59:04 pm »
They want to be a woman then they shouldn't want a ****.

More of that live and let live we all love from conservatives...

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #451 on: November 24, 2018, 10:59:25 pm »
"Hey you: CUT OFF YOUR DICK !"  :D

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #452 on: November 24, 2018, 11:47:20 pm »
Why wouldn't they? Women don't have penises. They want to be a woman then they shouldn't want a ****.

I don't imagine you are a participant in a lot of public change rooms any more, but if you were, would you be focused on everybody's genitals so as to make sure they all resembled yours? And if they didn't what would you do?
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« Reply #453 on: November 25, 2018, 06:42:02 am »
Well it's not "categorically insane" if you dig into the biology. And it's not delusion but based on preference.

You can change your gender expression, you can change the outward appearance of your body & some secondary sex characteristics through surgery & other methods, but you can't change your biological sex by choice, your genes & chromosomes aren't subject to preference..  Just like you can't change your race by painting your skin black or bleaching it whiter.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #454 on: November 25, 2018, 08:03:48 am »

You're certainly pushing back against anyone who says otherwise.

I'm not saying we're "supposed to change", necessarily.  I'm pushing back against statements like this:

"No one with a **** is a woman. End of story. "

You can't take a hard line, then accuse me of taking a hard line (ie. we're SUPPOSED to change) when I push back against your hard line.  Everybody settle down and this stuff can mostly be worked through pretty straightforward.

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« Reply #455 on: November 25, 2018, 10:01:30 am »
More of that live and let live we all love from conservatives...

More like the sanity your side lacks.
And your complaint is irrational given that I'm perfectly willing to 'live and let live'. You can call yourself a girl if you want to. I really don't care. Don't demand I recognize you as one while you're waving your **** about, and showing us your manly physique, though.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #456 on: November 25, 2018, 10:03:02 am »
I don't imagine you are a participant in a lot of public change rooms any more, but if you were, would you be focused on everybody's genitals so as to make sure they all resembled yours? And if they didn't what would you do?

I'm fairly sure if I was in a public change room and one of the guys had a **** I'd have taken notice.
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« Reply #457 on: November 25, 2018, 10:06:37 am »
I'm not saying we're "supposed to change", necessarily.  I'm pushing back against statements like this:

"No one with a **** is a woman. End of story. "

You can't take a hard line, then accuse me of taking a hard line (ie. we're SUPPOSED to change) when I push back against your hard line.  Everybody settle down and this stuff can mostly be worked through pretty straightforward.

You can call yourself what you like. But demanding I recognize you as something you categorically are not is just not going to fly with me.
There was an incident a couple of years back with Benjamin Shapiro on some talk show or other where he reiterated his belief that men were men and women were women. He was sat next to a transgender "woman" who was a former soldier. The first thing this 'woman' did when Shapiro calmly said he didn't recognize him as a her was to grab him by the neck and threaten to beat him up. The 'woman' being considerably larger and stronger than the diminutive Shapiro this was a pretty blatant example that HE was most definitely not a SHE.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #458 on: November 25, 2018, 10:11:43 am »
More like the sanity your side lacks.

Ffft... Your side killed 6 million jews, then; if you are allowed to put me with someone at your whim, then so am I.

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And your complaint is irrational given that I'm perfectly willing to 'live and let live'. You can call yourself a girl if you want to. I really don't care.

As long as you get your **** removed.

Anyway, your position is more centrist than your tough words attempt to show.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #459 on: November 25, 2018, 10:14:21 am »
You can call yourself what you like. But demanding I recognize you as something you categorically are not is just not going to fly with me.

"not going to fly with me" is fine.  I can get behind you expressing your perspective, but when you ambiguously declare universal truth then you will invite a response and a push back.

 

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« Reply #460 on: November 25, 2018, 10:18:04 am »
"not going to fly with me" is fine.  I can get behind you expressing your perspective, but when you ambiguously declare universal truth then you will invite a response and a push back.

My declaration of universal truth arises from an interesting series of consultations with a varied group of citizenry. Most were willing to 'live and let live' as you say, but all drew a very heavy and thick line at the thought of girls with penises going to womens prisons or taking showers with girls without penises or playing on the sports teams of girls without penises. The universal declaration of such ideas was 'that's insane'.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #461 on: November 25, 2018, 10:22:36 am »
My declaration of universal truth arises from an interesting series of consultations with a varied group of citizenry. Most were willing to 'live and let live' as you say, but all drew a very heavy and thick line at the thought of girls with penises going to womens prisons or taking showers with girls without penises or playing on the sports teams of girls without penises. The universal declaration of such ideas was 'that's insane'.

Your buddies making an assertion doesn't constitute universal truth. 

You seem to be confused as to why I push back on certain things and not others.  You just need to be very clear and specific with your assertions.  If you disagree then that's your right, but don't try to say people are imposing things on you when that is what you are doing.

I would like to have a dialogue around accommodation then move forward with a practical solution that accommodates rights and social cohesion.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #462 on: November 25, 2018, 10:32:50 am »

Your buddies making an assertion doesn't constitute universal truth.

Well, mostly they just thought the whole thing idiotic. The people really frosted about it were their wives.

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If you disagree then that's your right, but don't try to say people are imposing things on you when that is what you are doing.

I am not imposing gender on anyone. Nature did that. But demanding I accept that a woman is a man or a man is woman is imposing illogical on me.

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I would like to have a dialogue around accommodation then move forward with a practical solution that accommodates rights and social cohesion.

None of this directly impacts me. So I would suggest you reach accommodation with Kimmy.
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« Reply #463 on: November 25, 2018, 10:35:40 am »
The other day Algonquin college proudly announced they would henceforth reserve 30% of the spaces in various tech courses for women. Only after 30% of the spaces were taken would women be required to compete with men for remaining spaces (currently it's at 10%). The thought occurs to me how a preciously politically correct diversity team would greet men suddenly discovering their feminine gender, and demanding to be taken into those reserved spaces since they now identify as women.

Denying the gender choice of a person who calls themselves a woman is now reaching the same levels of blaspheme and anathema as suggesting someone be hired out of merit, so I can't imagine them doing so very easily. On the other hand, if men can simply call themselves women and be accepted into these reserved seats it pretty much makes a mockery of their whole idiotic affirmative action program.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #464 on: November 25, 2018, 11:44:25 am »
I am not imposing gender on anyone.


Sure sounds like it: "No one with a **** is a woman. End of story. "

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Nature did that. But demanding I accept that a woman is a man or a man is woman is imposing illogical on me.

Well, if I had the same stance as you, I would not be trying to discuss this with you.  Rather I would be saying "anyone can be a women, disagree if you want and I will be glad when they send you to jail for doing so".

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None of this directly impacts me. So I would suggest you reach accommodation with Kimmy.

Exactly.  And your entitlement and privilege ensures that you will bellow about this topic and assert yourself. 

Here's what you don't realize: Liberals are actually your allies in this discussion, as they will defend your right to dissent, as I do.  You are so entitled, though, that you can't see the difference and group me with the most extreme radicals.

I am starting to call this "a war footing" and it's not going to end well for either side, but especially yours.
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