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Offline TimG

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #435 on: November 24, 2018, 07:25:02 pm »
Except that actual science shows that what you quote and call nonsense is actually verifiable.
There is no science that shows that a biological man is the same as biological woman just because he believes he is a woman. Lots of people have mental health issues and do not expect the rest of society to validate their delusions.

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« Reply #436 on: November 24, 2018, 07:43:22 pm »
There is no science that shows that a biological man is the same as biological woman just because he believes he is a woman. Lots of people have mental health issues and do not expect the rest of society to validate their delusions.

Well yes there is actually. Being born with a certain genitalia does not dictate what goes on in your brain. And such things as hormones have been shown to be influenced by what goes on in your brain more than how you pee. 

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« Reply #437 on: November 24, 2018, 07:47:15 pm »
I do have a solution to the issue of transgender females being allowed to compete against women.  Base sports on chromosomes, not "men's sports"and women's sports".  Since "men" and "women" seem to now be a social or psychological construct that can mean anything to anyone. 

XX sports and XY sports.

This would stop the farce of that "women's" bicycle race that was won by someone with different chromosomes to all the other competitors.

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« Reply #438 on: November 24, 2018, 08:08:38 pm »
Well yes there is actually. Being born with a certain genitalia does not dictate what goes on in your brain. And such things as hormones have been shown to be influenced by what goes on in your brain more than how you pee.
You seem to think that you get to decide want defines gender. For many people biology is what matters and they could not care less about what people "feel". It is not a big deal if someone wants to wear women's clothing and change their name. Live and let live after all. It only becomes an issue when these people insist on pushing their ideology driven concepts on others by demanding that others pretend they are women too.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #439 on: November 24, 2018, 08:10:21 pm »
More than a few dozen ?  I already said (I think) that I can't find any polls but I found polls that accept transgender rights as a large minority or majority.

Yes? And defined how? I bet it wasn't defined as "trangender women with penises get to go into female shower rooms and get sent to female prisons and can beat up lesbians if they won't sleep with them."

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I'm not saying that.

You're certainly pushing back against anyone who says otherwise.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #440 on: November 24, 2018, 08:11:00 pm »
Apparently you are still confused as to the difference between sex and gender. There are women with penises.

Nope. If they want to be a woman they can have it cut off. Otherwise they're male.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #441 on: November 24, 2018, 08:12:59 pm »
This would stop the farce of that "women's" bicycle race that was won by someone with different chromosomes to all the other competitors.
Any discussion of transgender has to has to separate the tiny percentage of people who are biologically ambiguous from those who are biologically unambiguous and just "feel" they are different gender. Simple chromosome tests don't work for the biologically ambiguous. Apparently there are additional mutations such as XXXY or XXYY.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #442 on: November 24, 2018, 08:13:15 pm »
You seem to think that you get to decide want defines gender. For many people biology is what matters and they could not care less about what people "feel". It is not a big deal if someone wants to where women's clothing and change their name. Live and let live after all. It only becomes an issue when these people insist on pushing their ideology driven concepts on others by demanding that other pretend they are women too.

No I don't get to decide that. Nor do I want to. But biology does, and it has been shown that people's biology can deviate away from the original based on how they evolve.

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« Reply #443 on: November 24, 2018, 08:15:47 pm »
Nope. If they want to be a woman they can have it cut off. Otherwise they're male.

Ah that's funny. But what if they don't want to have it cut off?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #444 on: November 24, 2018, 08:17:10 pm »
No I don't get to decide that. Nor do I want to. But biology does, and it has been shown that people's biology can deviate away from the original based on how they evolve.

What do you mean by this?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #445 on: November 24, 2018, 08:24:26 pm »
What do you mean by this?

I mean that if you were assigned at birth with let's sat a ****, it does not mean that your are therefore assigned forever to be a male. If you choose to reassign yourself your biology has been shown to follow, whether or not you cut your **** off as argus suggests.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #446 on: November 24, 2018, 08:28:11 pm »
I believe there's a difference between gender and sex, as most do.  I believe gender can be fluid and socially constructed, but that sex isn't and is quite static.

There's provinces in this country where you can get the sex designation on your birth certificate changed from male to female and vice versa, which is categorically insane.  There's provinces in this country where you can get an official sex change certificate after surgery because somehow some people think that by cutting off your **** etc. that then makes your sex female, which is categorically insane.

Let's support people expressing themselves however they want, but let's not enable delusion based on wishful thinking.
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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #447 on: November 24, 2018, 08:36:30 pm »
Ah that's funny. But what if they don't want to have it cut off?

Why wouldn't they? Women don't have penises. They want to be a woman then they shouldn't want a ****.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #448 on: November 24, 2018, 08:38:35 pm »
I believe there's a difference between gender and sex, as most do.  I believe gender can be fluid and socially constructed, but that sex isn't and is quite static.

There's provinces in this country where you can get the sex designation on your birth certificate changed from male to female and vice versa, which is categorically insane.  There's provinces in this country where you can get an official sex change certificate after surgery because somehow some people think that by cutting off your **** etc. that then makes your sex female, which is categorically insane.

Let's support people expressing themselves however they want, but let's not enable delusion based on wishful thinking.

Well it's not "categorically insane" if you dig into the biology. And it's not delusion but based on preference.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #449 on: November 24, 2018, 08:41:16 pm »
Why wouldn't they? Women don't have penises. They want to be a woman then they shouldn't want a ****.

Not a lot of women do, that's true. But those that do maybe don't want pieces cut from their bodies.