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Offline Omni

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #420 on: November 23, 2018, 12:12:48 pm »
The idea the definition of a woman is changing is a crazy idea pushed by extremists.
No one with a **** is a woman. End of story.

I know the progressives will get all bug eyed with outrage over that but almost everyone else would agree.

I think we all understand who is having the "bug eyed rage".
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« Reply #421 on: November 23, 2018, 05:11:35 pm »
Your reaction seems to indicate that you don't feel I should be outraged and that you don't think people need to talk about this.

If something is going on but people aren't supposed to talk about it, isn't that kind of troubling?

You can feel it, but you are being played is all.

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Yes, there's some amusing irony that these conservative-leaning news outlets like Townhall have been the ones publicizing this incident.

Conservatives have always thought The **** Monologues was pornographic trash promoting immoral sexual ideas that ought to be banned.  Conservatives used to be the ones protesting **** Monologues, and even got it cancelled once upon a time.  But now that it gives them a venue to attack "the trans agenda", they love "Monologues" and they love gender-critical feminists like Megan Murphy.

It's kind of like how conservative Christians realized that they actually care very deeply about gay people, once it gave them an excuse to blast the Islams for homophobia.


Yes, that.


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Still, regardless of why it's in the news, this is a real incident, which really happened.  Similar things have happened elsewhere. Your view seems to be that the problem isn't that it's happening, but rather that people are talking about it.

You're not allowed to question the hive mind?

Sure, go ahead.  It's not a significant event, though.  It's playing because of the reaction...
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #422 on: November 23, 2018, 05:13:00 pm »


"Middle Age Man Welcomes New Definition Of Womanhood".   That's real magnanimous of you, Michael.

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They won't be expecting it, that's for sure.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #423 on: November 23, 2018, 05:18:33 pm »
The idea the definition of a woman is changing is a crazy idea pushed by extremists.
No one with a **** is a woman. End of story.

...aaand new start of story: many people accept that women have penises.... end of story.

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I know the progressives will get all bug eyed with outrage over that but almost everyone else would agree.

I couldn't find a poll.  Let me know if you have one that supports this.

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« Reply #424 on: November 23, 2018, 05:42:44 pm »
...aaand new start of story: many people accept that women have penises.... end of story.
Many people think the world was created in 7 days 6000 years ago. What is your point? That everyone has to believe in a falsehood because some people do?

I think the real conflict here is not that some people think that transgender are women. But that people that disagree are threatened with legal reprisals. The freedom to believe your neighbor's religion is a pile a crap is a fundamental right. It makes no difference if the religion is based on a old book or new cult.
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« Reply #425 on: November 23, 2018, 05:59:10 pm »
...aaand new start of story: many people accept that women have penises.... end of story.

Define 'many'.

You're talking about something like half a percent of the population who are, to some extent, transgendered. And of those, the majority aren't interested in getting in everyone's faces. Ie., they're not interested in stripping naked in a woman's shower room, for example, and would probably understand how a 'woman with a ****' ought to not be sent to a womens prison. So what we're really talking about is probably an eighth of a percent or less of people. And we're supposed to change society to accommodate  them?

I have not found anyone who agrees with that. Not even the guy I almost came to blows with over raising minimum wage and whether Tim Horon's employees "deserve" a decent living wage.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #426 on: November 23, 2018, 06:12:47 pm »
...aaand new start of story: many people accept that women have penises.... end of story.


There'll be quite a few on those nights when drinks are half off.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #427 on: November 23, 2018, 07:27:10 pm »
I think we all understand who is having the "bug eyed rage".

It's me.  Let there be no confusion as to that. I am god-damned livid.

You can feel it, but you are being played is all.

Yes, that.


Sure, go ahead.  It's not a significant event, though.  It's playing because of the reaction...

I don't care why it's in the news,  the fact that it happened is rage-inducing.

You say it's not a significant event. You've dismissed it as one decision made by one women's department at one university.

And then you told me you wouldn't dare post this to your Facebook feed because you'd be "vilified" for it.  It sounds to me like your Facebook friends have all made up their minds and would be angry at you for questioning this.

If that's the case, then this Eastern Michigan University decision isn't actually an outlier at all. It's an indicator, a sign-post of what you earlier referred to as "an emerging consensus".    Somewhere along the way, this debate already decided before I even knew it was happening.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #428 on: November 23, 2018, 07:36:01 pm »
It probably isn't.  But why are we - two Canadian males, far from "East Michigan" - talking about it ?  We're not in the stakeholder group and have only been brought in because someone wanted to outrage people.

I'm pretty sure that the women of East Michigan didn't ask for me to come online and help support them.

Because these things won't stay in east michigan.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #429 on: November 24, 2018, 11:35:20 am »
If that's the case, then this Eastern Michigan University decision isn't actually an outlier at all. It's an indicator, a sign-post of what you earlier referred to as "an emerging consensus".    Somewhere along the way, this debate already decided before I even knew it was happening.

It's only an 'emerging consensus' among the more precious and self-congratulatory members of the progressive Left.
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« Reply #430 on: November 24, 2018, 03:05:42 pm »
Many people think the world was created in 7 days 6000 years ago. What is your point? That everyone has to believe in a falsehood because some people do?

My point is that you can't state your opinion, then 'end of story' and expect that to be a point.  And yet you questioned me and not SJ.  Ok then.

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I think the real conflict here is not that some people think that transgender are women. But that people that disagree are threatened with legal reprisals. The freedom to believe your neighbor's religion is a pile a crap is a fundamental right. It makes no difference if the religion is based on a old book or new cult.

I think it's ok to have legally mandated morality.  There are lots of examples of this, and I'm sure you're in favour of some also.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #431 on: November 24, 2018, 03:09:34 pm »
Define 'many'.

More than a few dozen ?  I already said (I think) that I can't find any polls but I found polls that accept transgender rights as a large minority or majority.

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  So what we're really talking about is probably an eighth of a percent or less of people. And we're supposed to change society to accommodate  them?

I'm not saying that.   

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #432 on: November 24, 2018, 03:17:00 pm »
Define 'many'.

You're talking about something like half a percent of the population who are, to some extent, transgendered. And of those, the majority aren't interested in getting in everyone's faces. Ie., they're not interested in stripping naked in a woman's shower room, for example, and would probably understand how a 'woman with a ****' ought to not be sent to a womens prison. So what we're really talking about is probably an eighth of a percent or less of people. And we're supposed to change society to accommodate  them?

I have not found anyone who agrees with that. Not even the guy I almost came to blows with over raising minimum wage and whether Tim Horon's employees "deserve" a decent living wage.

Apparently you are still confused as to the difference between sex and gender. There are women with penises.

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« Reply #433 on: November 24, 2018, 07:08:54 pm »
I think it's ok to have legally mandated morality.  There are lots of examples of this, and I'm sure you're in favour of some also.
The legally mandated morally should be the bare minimum. When you get into a questions ideology rather than fact like this 'transgender are the same as biological women' nonsense then a free society must respect the right to disagree.

For example, I doubt you would be so sanguine about 'legally mandated morality' that prohibited abortion which would be a plausible outcome in the southern us. It is incredibly naive to assume that you would agree with any state mandated morality that might appear in the future. Protecting the right to disagree is about protecting your own right to disagree should society evolve in way you don't like.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #434 on: November 24, 2018, 07:18:20 pm »
The legally mandated morally should be the bare minimum. When you get into a questions ideology rather than fact like this 'transgender are the same as biological women' nonsense then a free society must respect the right to disagree.

Except that actual science shows that what you quote and call nonsense is actually verifiable. Agasin, there can be a difference betweeen sex and gender.