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Offline TimG

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« Reply #390 on: November 21, 2018, 04:31:12 pm »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/briannaheldt/2018/11/21/university-cancels-production-of-the-****-monologues-for-not-being-inclusive-enough-of-trans-people-n2536352

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A Michigan university has decided to cancel a scheduled performance of “The **** Monologues” because, according to the university, “not all women have vaginas.

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« Reply #391 on: November 21, 2018, 05:48:04 pm »
Your question is "Do men have an advantage over women in sports." The answer is, obviously yes.

I don't care what they feel they are. Physically, they are men, and have the same physical advantage over women that any other man would have.

A trans woman on hormone treatment would have a disadvantage over an average man, but the average trans woman on hormones would still have an advantage over most women.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #392 on: November 21, 2018, 05:57:42 pm »
A Michigan university has decided to cancel a scheduled performance of “The **** Monologues” because, according to the university, “not all women have vaginas.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #393 on: November 22, 2018, 03:40:58 am »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/briannaheldt/2018/11/21/university-cancels-production-of-the-****-monologues-for-not-being-inclusive-enough-of-trans-people-n2536352

Well that's the stupidest god damned **** thing I've read all week.

I thought "Cleveland Browns considering Condoleezza Rice for coaching position" was going to be the stupidest thing I read this week, but I was wrong. April Fools Day is months away.  What the **** is going on? 

This is no longer about people being treated with respect and dignity, and living safely without fear.  This has turned into a concerted effort to tear down everything women have built in the past 60 years.

It seems like the new goal is to eradicate every shred of the female experience from the word "woman" and replace it with a new definition based on an affinity for traditional gender roles and clothing and some ill-defined "feeling".  This is total **** dog ****.  These people need to be told to **** off.



Nice going, Tim, you got me all agitated.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #394 on: November 22, 2018, 05:36:07 am »

This has turned into a concerted effort to tear down everything women have built in the past 60 years.

It seems like the new goal is to eradicate every shred of the female experience from the word "woman" and replace it with a new definition based on an affinity for traditional gender roles and clothing and some ill-defined "feeling".  This is total **** dog ****.  These people need to be told to **** off.

 

'Concerted effort' ?  So someone is orchestrating this ?  It's not just ONE person at "The Women’s Resource Center (WRC) at Eastern Michigan University (EMU)" who made a decision that you disagree with ?

Never forget the 'War on Christmas' ... Wherein 'Happy Holidays' constituted proof of a concerned effort to destroy Christianity and Santa.

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« Reply #395 on: November 22, 2018, 06:00:59 am »
It's not just ONE person at "The Women’s Resource Center (WRC) at Eastern Michigan University (EMU)" who made a decision that you disagree with ?
You are missing the point. This is one example in a US university but it does demonstrate how absurd the notion of "inclusiveness" has become.

Such actions also put people who recognize the unfairness and absurdity of this "inclusiveness" obsession in a difficult situation: do they tell such people to f-off and live with being called a TERF or worse or do they keep silent while they are being denied their rights in the name of "inclusiveness"?

If you are OK with people pushing back and insisting on limits to the "inclusiveness" obsession then you can argue this is just one example.
If you expect people too meekly shut up whenever someone pulls a stunt like the EMU did then this one example is a symptom of a much bigger social problem.
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« Reply #396 on: November 22, 2018, 06:24:16 am »
You are missing the point. This is one example in a US university but it does demonstrate how absurd the notion of "inclusiveness" has become.

So, government should step in to modify peoples' opinions and ideas but only if those ideas err on the side of inclusiveness ?  Is that what you are suggesting ?  Should we be more concerned about anti-semitism and political violence ?  Or play readings ?

Loaded question, I know.

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Such actions also put people who recognize the unfairness and absurdity of this "inclusiveness" obsession in a difficult situation: do they tell such people to f-off and live with being called a TERF or worse or do they keep silent while they are being denied their rights in the name of "inclusiveness"?

So by posting it here, you will convince the already-convinced.  If you can pierce the bubble of progressives and make them understand your concern, let me know and I will use your tactics against the mouth-breathing deplorables...

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If you are OK with people pushing back and insisting on limits to the "inclusiveness" obsession then you can argue this is just one example.
If you expect people too meekly shut up whenever someone pulls a stunt like the EMU did then this one example is a symptom of a much bigger social problem.

People shouldn't meekly shut up, that is, if it's in their area of concern.  I would argue that Jews getting machine-gunned in Pittsburgh is more in my area of concern than feminist play readings at East Michigan University are in yours.

Being 'concerned' about social problems is supposed to be a leftist thing.  I thought Conservatives were about live and let live.  Meh. 

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« Reply #397 on: November 22, 2018, 07:08:21 am »
'Concerted effort' ?  So someone is orchestrating this ?  It's not just ONE person at "The Women’s Resource Center (WRC) at Eastern Michigan University (EMU)" who made a decision that you disagree with ?

Never forget the 'War on Christmas' ... Wherein 'Happy Holidays' constituted proof of a concerned effort to destroy Christianity and Santa.
It also seems completely lost on people that sometimes individuals do completely outlandish things to draw attention to important issues.

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« Reply #398 on: November 22, 2018, 07:19:34 am »
People shouldn't meekly shut up, that is, if it's in their area of concern.  I would argue that Jews getting machine-gunned in Pittsburgh is more in my area of concern than feminist play readings at East Michigan University are in yours.
Who says people can only be concerned about one problem at a time? People can be concerned about both.

I thought Conservatives were about live and let live.
Live and let live means if someone want to stage a play that is not "inclusive" then there is nothing wrong with it. If they don't want to stage a play for whatever reason then that is fine as well. The conflict happens when people want to impose their will on others. i.e. if the someone wanted to stage the play but was a afraid of being attacked by mobs of zealots then that is a big problem. It is not clear why the decision was made at EMU.
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« Reply #399 on: November 22, 2018, 09:45:38 am »
'Concerted effort' ?  So someone is orchestrating this ?  It's not just ONE person at "The Women’s Resource Center (WRC) at Eastern Michigan University (EMU)" who made a decision that you disagree with ?

"not all women have vaginas" and the push to redefine womanhood into something "inclusive" is an ideology being pushed by trans activists and academics. If you want to quibble over whether that's 'concerted' or not, you can go it alone.

This is not the first time **** Monologues has been canceled for this reason. 


Never forget the 'War on Christmas' ... Wherein 'Happy Holidays' constituted proof of a concerned effort to destroy Christianity and Santa.

"Happy Holidays" originated a long time before the recent "persecuted Christians" meme. 

Are you proposing a parallel between the "persecuted Christians" meme and my reaction to this incident?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #400 on: November 22, 2018, 09:53:27 am »
So, government should step in to modify peoples' opinions and ideas but only if those ideas err on the side of inclusiveness ?  Is that what you are suggesting ?  Should we be more concerned about anti-semitism and political violence ?  Or play readings ?

Hey, there's millions of kids starving to death in Africa right now. How can we be talking about a few deaths at a synogogue when there's millions of kids starving to death in Africa?


If you only get to talk about academic issues when there's no pressing real-world problems to solve, one might as well shut down the entire field of liberal arts, because there's always a pressing real-world problem that needs solving.  I'd think a guy who spent so much time studying Marshall McLuhan would appreciate this more than most.  Hey, Mike, how can you be reading that stuff when there's kids starving in Africa?



So by posting it here, you will convince the already-convinced.  If you can pierce the bubble of progressives and make them understand your concern, let me know and I will use your tactics against the mouth-breathing deplorables...

You could post this topic to your facebook feed. You've mentioned that your facebook circle includes those people who are trans and gender-flexible and whatever else people are self-identifying as these days. Post this and see how people react.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #401 on: November 22, 2018, 09:54:54 am »
It also seems completely lost on people that sometimes individuals do completely outlandish things to draw attention to important issues.

And in this case the important issue that our attention is being drawn to is that talking about the physical experiences of women hurts the feelings of trans women?

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« Reply #402 on: November 22, 2018, 02:49:14 pm »
It also seems completely lost on people that sometimes individuals do completely outlandish things to draw attention to important issues.

So you do think the cancellation is outlandish then?

The university is the one that cancelled the play.  That’s not an individual, but an institution of (supposed) higher learning.

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« Reply #403 on: November 22, 2018, 04:09:55 pm »
It seems like the new goal is to eradicate every shred of the female experience from the word "woman" and replace it with a new definition based on an affinity for traditional gender roles and clothing and some ill-defined "feeling".

What do you mean by what i bolded?  Did you mean a rejection of traditional gender roles and clothing, rather than "affinity"?  Please clarify.
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« Reply #404 on: November 22, 2018, 04:21:19 pm »
'Concerted effort' ?  So someone is orchestrating this ?  It's not just ONE person at "The Women’s Resource Center (WRC) at Eastern Michigan University (EMU)" who made a decision that you disagree with ?

Never forget the 'War on Christmas' ... Wherein 'Happy Holidays' constituted proof of a concerned effort to destroy Christianity and Santa.

It's a concerted effort by certain feminists.  The thing is, often when you create one thing, you destroy another in order to do so .  This is basic physics. And sometimes, what you create has positives but what you destroy to create it has positives too, that are now lost.

These people are trying to do something genuinely good and have the best of intentions, which is to be inclusive and make trans women feel included because they're often not included, and are so often alienated from society in general, which is terrible. 

But at the same time, they are denying non-trans women a space & platform to talk about their unique issues, that being having a **** and all that this comes with.  I just don't think its practical or fair to deny a platform for an issue that effects 99% of women in order to make the less than 1% of women who don't have vaginas feel included.  If we should only talk about issues that affects all members of a particular group, we'd never talk about anything.
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