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Offline kimmy

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #360 on: November 06, 2018, 09:52:53 am »
He's not.  He's just saying what he thinks she is.  Certainly she is partially exclusionary but a TERF ?

Again, he's not calling me a TERF, he's pointing out that by the standards set by the trans activists, I'm a TERF.

This is the unease that hit me when you first talked about how furious your Facebook friends are at Megan Murphy-- the surprise of finding out that the position I took was considered radical and hate-filled by some people.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #361 on: November 06, 2018, 10:11:54 am »
Again, he's not calling me a TERF, he's pointing out that by the standards set by the trans activists, I'm a TERF.

Which ones ?

If you want to declare trans rights an unreasonable proposition, an easy way to do it is to find the most extreme activist - who says children need surgery or example - and make them the spokespeople for the movement.

This is what the tabloids do.

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This is the unease that hit me when you first talked about how furious your Facebook friends are at Megan Murphy-- the surprise of finding out that the position I took was considered radical and hate-filled by some people.

Right, but my facebook friends are not the centre of the movement either.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #362 on: November 06, 2018, 12:28:33 pm »
He's not.  He's just saying what he thinks she is.  Certainly she is partially exclusionary but a TERF ?

Kimmy got it right. I was commenting on the zealotry involved. Which is why I mentioned the loonies screaming and attacking people outside the Munk debate as Nazis. There is no middle ground to these activists. Kimmy is a TERF in their eyes, not mine. Because from what I see and read they don't accept 'partial' acceptance. Either you're 100% in agreement or you're the enemy.

I can't help noticing that they attack women who are feminists. Why not attack social conservatives instead? I mean, feminists are going to be way more accepting of trans people than social conservatives. Is it just easier to attack feminists who are mostly women? Why doesn't the t-shirt say I punch fundamentalists rather than I punch "terfs"?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #363 on: November 06, 2018, 12:32:50 pm »
The importance of this art

It's not art. It's dreck. And you'd be hyperventilating if it was attacking Muslims or gays or blacks because someone was expressing their 'visceral reaction' to them.
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« Reply #364 on: November 06, 2018, 12:45:32 pm »
It's not art. It's dreck. And you'd be hyperventilating if it was attacking Muslims or gays or blacks because someone was expressing their 'visceral reaction' to them.
Because there's a clear difference between punching up and punching down....at least to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #365 on: November 06, 2018, 01:46:13 pm »
If someone uses the word TERF to demonize someone...

Is this one of those instances where the left refuses to see

The term "leftist" is thrown around continually to demonize people.
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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #366 on: November 06, 2018, 03:39:04 pm »
Because there's a clear difference between punching up and punching down....at least to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

No, there **** well isn't. This assumption that everyone in a particular identity group is ranked according to the degree to which that group has, to your mind, been disadvantaged is a big part of what is turning so many people away from the Left. The idea you can threaten and sneer at and intimidate someone if you're in a 'more disadvantaged' identity group than they are is poisonous bullshit.

You think it's okay for a bunch of muscular six foot tall guys to threaten to punch out women because they claim that being trans means they're more disadvantaged. That's **** nuts.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #367 on: November 06, 2018, 10:07:51 pm »
No, there **** well isn't.
Well, I’m sorry, but you’re not just wrong.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #368 on: November 06, 2018, 10:18:14 pm »
I want to know what happens to the penises and **** lips after the surgeon cuts them off?  And where do the balls go?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #369 on: November 06, 2018, 10:18:38 pm »
Do the balls become ovaries?
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #370 on: November 06, 2018, 10:28:20 pm »
Getting creepy. Why am I not surprised.

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« Reply #371 on: November 06, 2018, 10:35:06 pm »
If i were talking about your **** lips then THAT would be creepy. 
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #372 on: November 06, 2018, 10:35:56 pm »
Stop TERFing me.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #373 on: November 07, 2018, 12:54:41 am »
Which ones ?

If you want to declare trans rights an unreasonable proposition, an easy way to do it is to find the most extreme activist - who says children need surgery or example - and make them the spokespeople for the movement.

This is what the tabloids do.

Right, but my facebook friends are not the centre of the movement either.

I don't think the activists demanding that people they consider "TERFs" be silenced are extremists within the movement... they seem to be the mainstream of the movement.  Judging from the success they've had, they're being treated as if they're the mainstream, at least.

Your friends might not be the brains of the movement, but they're helping provide the muscle. Their social media voices, along with large numbers of others like them, is what gives these activists the clout to demand that professors be fired or that speakers be deplatformed or that Body Blitz change their policy.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #374 on: November 07, 2018, 01:06:27 am »
The importance of this art is to show the visceral reaction people have to this in comparison to their reaction when trans people are beaten and killed in the streets. Apparently an art exhibit is more newsworthy and gets more contempt than the actual people who've been beaten and murdered for the crime of being transgender.

This is a feeble excuse for the indefensible.  Put up a display advocating violence against some group in Canada, and when the Human Rights Commission comes knocking on your door, tell them that you're just trying to draw attention to the plight of the Rohingas, and let us know how that works out for you.

Because there's a clear difference between punching up and punching down....at least to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

Taking on the TERFs is "punching up"?  Because feminists are such a powerful group in society?

The fantasy: they're defending themselves against genocidal fascists.

The reality: male-bodied thugs beating up little old ladies.


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