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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1440 on: September 13, 2020, 05:33:54 pm »

The complaint that Rogan and Brown have is the provocative nature of the articles, describing threats and so on.

Rogan talks about 'monetization of provcation' which is what I'm talking about also.  "We go from outrage to outrage" is her comment.    She says they are "saying things that are explosive to guarantee an emotional response".

This was a provocative story. It did get people riled up, and for good reason. I don't think trying to sweep it under the rug would have served anybody well.

I listened again.  The assertion is that much of the media is taking a sensational and provocative angle on this story, including Alex Jones.  Brown and Rogan quote The Post Millennial as saying "Why is mainstream media ignoring Yaniv ?" - which is bullshit - etc.

I'm not sure Alex Jones qualifies for any discussion of media.  While the actual media didn't ignore Yaniv, they were very selective in what they did report, and as I've said before I think this paints an inaccurate picture of Yaniv's so-called activism.  Morgane Oger dropped Yaniv like a hot potato; not because of anything Oger learned from mainstream media coverage.  cybercoma unloaded on Yaniv earlier in this thread; nothing cybercoma used in coming to his conclusions about Yaniv's character came from mainstream media coverage.  I think that sanitized coverage of stories like this is one of the things that drives readers to outlets like The Post-Millennial.

and Barbara Kay imagined Yaniv as a corpse in the PM and asked who would wax her genitals there.

While perhaps Brown and Rogan would have you think Kay is fantasizing about Yaniv being dead, the point she was trying to make is that Yaniv's biological reality is what it is, regardless of how he identifies.   If Yaniv were incapacitated and paramedics needed to make medical treatment, they wouldn't be able to ask her preferred pronouns or identity. They'd need to make diagnosis and treatment based on the fact that she's male. If she was conscious and aware, they'd still hopefully make diagnosis and treatment based on the fact that she's male. Kay's thought experiment of "what if Yaniv were a corpse" was poorly thought out, mostly because it invites people like Rogan and Brown to claimi Kay is fantasizing about Yaniv being dead.  Kay would have been smarter to just reference Yaniv's attempts to get an appointment with the gynecologist to make the point.

semi-related: I was reading that a trans man almost died because doctors had assumed he was male. They were trying to diagnose his kidney failure, running diagnostic tests intended for male patients, administering treatment intended for a male patient, and only found out that the patient was biologically female when he was at death's door.

This is about quality of coverage, period.  So you can stop saying now that people don't want to hear the other side.   

Here's some coverage.  It covers the facts and doesn't wade into angertainment, so your assertion that "mainstream and centrist outlets are only willing to publish stuff that is favorable to the trans movement". doesn't fly.

https://nationalpost.com/news/trans-activist-jessica-yaniv-files-second-lawsuit-against-3-beauticians-after-losing-human-rights-suit-to-them-in-2019

It's one news outlet reporting on the ongoing shenanigans of a notorious individual.  It doesn't really build a case that media coverage of trans issues in general is of particularly good quality.

Here are two articles covering events yesterday in Vancouver.  One pretty balanced, one pretty awful.  I offer the CTV article as an example of the kind of slanted, biased coverage that has been pretty typical of coverage of trans issues.  Compare and contrast the two:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/i-love-j-k-rowling-sign-makes-brief-controversial-appearance-in-vancouver-1.5722244

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/j-k-rowling-billboard-condemned-as-transphobic-and-removed-as-advocates-speak-out-1.5102493

 -k
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