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I think that it needs to be emphasised that this is not just a trans rights question but also a women's rights question and in many cases a religious rights question.

Of course - all rights questions impact others and can involve balancing of rights.

It seems to me that in other areas, we consider potentially bad outcomes beforehand when we are designing legislation.  When we draw up gun laws, we consider that some number of bad-people will try to obtain guns and shoot people, and consider ways to make that less likely.  When we design driving laws, we consider ways to make sure that people who drive cars have some level of competency.   To me it seems like in giving trans people access to women's spaces, little if any thought has been given to potential bad outcomes.

Yes, we do, but we also recognize that no system is foolproof.  We have a system called 'parole' which releases offenders before their sentence is complete.  There WILL be folks who reoffend coming out of the system.  It doesn't mean the people who design the system will ignore this, nor will it mean that they cancel the parole system.

There's a balance that is struck. 

Our current government promised that "Gender Based Analysis" would be applied to policies, and I'd be very interested to know if such an analysis was ever done in regard to C-16.

I don't remember but I agree.

If you hear Jesse Brown or Carol Off or some other media figure describe someone or something as transphobic is that sufficient in your mind to decide that they deserve no attention? 

As journalists, it would surprise me for them to take it upon themselves to do that.  And obviously I have read/listened to the people who are labelled as such so I pay them attention.

To me it seems like we are at a point where contrary opinions are dismissed out of hand because some random mob has decided they're wrong-think.

Why are the people who disagree with you a 'random mob' and the ones whose decisions you support not ?  I would say publications that intentionally stir up angertainment are at the head of the mob.

Did Jesse Brown read a single one of those Quillette articles he dismissed as transphobic nonsense, or did he just assume that to be the case because "everybody says so"? 

He quotes a few of them, so I imagine he had a look.

Did Carol Off watch a Meghan Murphy speech before comparing her to a Neo Nazi, or was she basing that on the opinion of the mob with the fake guillotine shouting death threats outside the library?

You would have to quote that one to me.  I am putting enough time into this to re-listen.

This is somewhat a circular argument, though. If we're only supposed to consider stuff that centrist and mainstream outlets would publish, and mainstream and centrist outlets are only willing to publish stuff that is favorable to the trans movement, then by by definition we're only listening to stuff that is favorable to the trans movement.

That's a false choice.  What was the Globe or the National Posts's coverage ?

  Quillette may not be a centrist or mainstream publication, but it is a publication that is willing to post the other side of the argument, including pieces from accomplished writers and commentators.

The complaint that Rogan and Brown have is the provocative nature of the articles, describing threats and so on.

Rogan talks about 'monetization of provcation' which is what I'm talking about also.  "We go from outrage to outrage" is her comment.    She says they are "saying things that are explosive to guarantee an emotional response".

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I listened again.  The assertion is that much of the media is taking a sensational and provocative angle on this story, including Alex Jones.  Brown and Rogan quote The Post Millennial as saying "Why is mainstream media ignoring Yaniv ?" - which is bullshit - etc. and Barbara Kay imagined Yaniv as a corpse in the PM and asked who would wax her genitals there.

This is about quality of coverage, period.  So you can stop saying now that people don't want to hear the other side.   

Here's some coverage.  It covers the facts and doesn't wade into angertainment, so your assertion that "mainstream and centrist outlets are only willing to publish stuff that is favorable to the trans movement". doesn't fly.

https://nationalpost.com/news/trans-activist-jessica-yaniv-files-second-lawsuit-against-3-beauticians-after-losing-human-rights-suit-to-them-in-2019