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Offline kimmy

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1395 on: November 03, 2019, 05:04:12 pm »
1. I resent being called a 'trans cheerleader'.  Though we have differed on points, I don't feel we are far apart on what we basically want, and certainly I trust your intellectual honesty that you generally are looking for a solution that makes our communities happier. 

It feels like you are losing humour, and starting to lose kim-ness in the face of this controversy, which makes me sad.

I don't remember making any argument like that earlier. I generally agree that designing group rights around the possibility of abusers like this is a bad idea, but I also agree that psychopaths and other bad actors exist.

If I seem to be losing my sense of humor around this topic it's because it's exasperating trying to have an honest conversation about this. Your suggestion that instead of talking about Yaniv we ought to talk about employment rights and other stuff that everybody agrees with is par for the course.  Nobody ever wants to address the Yanivs of the world or even acknowledge that they exist.

2. I don't think either of us know what this person's motives were, only that their case failed and they were penalized for using racialized language targeting complaintants, ie. bad faith use of the system.

Tribunal chair Devyn Cousineau's ruling indicated that she felt that Yaniv's motive was extortion. I see no reason to second guess her.

Yaniv was not penalized for using "racialized language".  Yaniv was penalized for using the system to perform extortion.

One of the things that's annoying about the coverage of the ruling is the focus on the racism aspect.  It leaves people with the impression that everything Yaniv did would have been on the level if xe'd just targeted white women.  That's not actually what Cousineau's ruling says at all.   Cousineau's ruling was that Yaniv has a scrotum, and that Cousineau would not require people who did not perform work on scrotum's to perform work on Yaniv's scrotum regardless of how Yaniv identifies.

Do you think Yaniv's conduct would have been okay if xe'd targeted white women instead of minorities?


3. "The argument is and always has been that on-demand gender self-id would be exploited by perverts and predators. "  Was that the argument ?  Ok so what do we do with that ?  Ban penises from women's shelters ?  Is that what we want ?  And sports should exclude based on the hormone level of the participant ?

Why are some people so opposed to the existence of sex-based protections?  Why is it not enough that every other women's shelter in Vancouver accepts trans women, people are determined to destroy the only one that is exclusively for biological female people? 

As for sports, testosterone levels are a red herring.  Testosterone-blockers can't undo the advantages of male physiology.  Maybe people like Rachel McKinnon and Laurel Hubbard should go compete with people their own size instead of trying to turn womens' athletics into a fkkking farce.

4. "Which is why it's so crucial that we silence Murphy and others like her, amirite?"  She denies that trans women are women which is a world apart from the suggestions I put forward in #3 above.

Maybe the notion that biologically male people aren't actually women isn't as radical as you seem to think. Murphy's point is this: Women, in almost every culture around the world throughout history, have been oppressed.  Not because of gender identity, but because of biological sex. Therefore, a new kind of feminism based around gender identity rather than biological sex is an exercise in stupidity.

The circus surrounding Murphy's appearance in Toronto last week was disgraceful and your whole city should wear a bag over its head in shame.

Here's CBC "As It Happens" host Carol Off berating the head librarian, proposing that the talk puts the safety of trans people at risk, and casually comparing Murphy to Holocaust deniers and white supremacists.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/i-m-not-going-to-reconsider-toronto-s-top-librarian-refuses-to-bar-speaker-critical-of-transgender-rights-1.5324431
(more of that balanced journalism the waldo has a hankerin' for, ayy wallay wallay wallay?  ;D)



I challenge you, and Carol Off, and John Tory, and the rest of the Thought Police to watch Murphy's speech at the library and point out which parts, exactly, you think are promoting hatred, or deserve comparison to Holocaust deniers and white supremacists, or merit her being censored or banned or threatened with violence. I dare you. I double dog dare you.



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