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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2017, 01:26:33 pm »
Ok, so if we decide that some peoples' desire for a space free from male physiology is legitimate, then what next?  Do we appoint a gate-keeper or a panel or something to decide which women are allowed in and which aren't?

Say, **** victims and abuse victims and our hypothetical religion-based objector get allowed in?


What's next ?  It's sometimes called 'solutioning' which is difficult and which you are starting to do here.

As a straight, cis, male I have no say in that part of the discussion nor do I have any idea what solutions may come.

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It frames the demand differently, IMO.  "We need a safe space!" makes it sound as if they don't have any alternatives which doesn't appear to be true. "We demand access to this particular establishment" makes clear that this is about their objection to this particular establishment's policy, which to me appears to be a more accurate description of the conflict.

"Why don't black people just go to their own beaches ?"

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Ok, we've talked about three options-- let them continue as is, put an end to open nudity in their establishment, or let the dongs run wild and let the market decide if Body Blitz lives or dies.

What other possibilities do you envision?

As I said, I can't really say.  If I throw out some possibilities here, it's to show that there are some that haven't really been discussed so please don't just shoot them down as a way to say dialogue is pointless.

They could ask ****-bearing ladies to show discretion.  They could discover that nobody at the club is actually traumatized by the mere sight of a ****.  They could put parameters around nudity in other ways, cover up in certain areas or what have you.  They could find out that the ones who object don't want any trans women OR men in there.  etc.

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Do you object to the characterization as "Social Justice Warriors", or the suggestion that people are after the proverbial pound of flesh?

 

I think tagging people is at once a mental shorthand, but also a way of boxing people into a category to dismiss them.  TERFs vs SJWs.  It's party politics, but in a different arena.  The people who I personally know who are in this debate are standing up for their friends and relatives and not on any kind of path to punishing those who aren't like them.