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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3210 on: June 04, 2023, 02:36:03 pm »
I'm guessing you're still basing your conclusions on 2009 data.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3213 on: June 04, 2023, 04:21:54 pm »
An occupation with mandatory celibacy would be an ideal "cover" for gay men in times when homosexuality was criminalized or more heavily stigmatized than it is today. It would provide an answer to people who ask "why doesn't he date? Why doesn't he have a wife? Is he a homo?" If you lived in a time and/or place where not having an answer to questions like that could get you beat up or killed or make you a pariah, priesthood would be an appealing option. I think it would be entirely reasonable to expect that if we had a way to find out if priests in the 1950s or 1850s were closeted gay men, you'd find that a disproportionately high number were.

And for the same reason, an occupation with mandatory celibacy would be an ideal cover for someone whose sexual attraction was towards children.  But with the decline of religion in society, I think many of those people would instead be funneled towards other areas that make sex with adult partners impossible, like "pro gamer" or "anime enthusiast".

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3214 on: June 04, 2023, 05:23:58 pm »
So, how do you know the others in the example aren’t lying?  Who decides they’re lying?  Kimmy has decided they’re all lying.  What now?

Hold up, here's what I said:

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I can state with 100% sincerity that I believe Kayla Lemieux is every bit as much a woman as Dylan Mulvaney, Caitlyn Jenner, Lia Thomas, Jessica Yaniv, Rachel Levine, and Dr Veronica Ivy.

I didn't say any of them are lying. Some or maybe even all of them might sincerely believe that they're women.  But we all know they aren't.  "Trans women are women" is something people say to be polite, or to virtue signal, not because they actually believe it.

Trying to create a distinction between those who are sincere and those who aren't is destined to fail, because sincerity can always be feigned.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3215 on: June 04, 2023, 05:34:57 pm »
He relies on data from the John Jay survey, which was up to 2002. There has been a windfall of allegations in just the last two years.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/hundreds-of-catholic-clergy-in-illinois-sexually-abused-thousands-of-children-ag-finds

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/thousands-abused-by-members-portuguese-church-past-70-years-2023-02-13/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8243783/over-200000-children-sexually-abused-french-catholic-church-since-1950-probe-finds/
Exclusively? I would think they would look at a few studies.

You seem to know more about this than I do, do you have any studies you can put here.

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« Reply #3216 on: June 04, 2023, 05:56:04 pm »
I think that she thought that the Oakville teacher was trans.  I don't think she said people were lying but I'd have to look back.

The Oakville teacher is trans if he says he's trans. That's how self-ID works. That's the holy grail that the transes and their allies have been fighting for for years. It's largely how things already work in Canada. 
You seem to be under the impression that there's some sort of objective standard as to what a "real trans" person is, and that this teacher has failed to meet this objective standard by being caught without his costume.

But the reality is that no such objective standard exists. If you disagree, try and describe what that objective standard might look like. You might come up with ideas like:
 -somebody who has surgery or hormone treatments
 -someone who successfully passes as a member of the opposite sex
 -somebody who at least tries to dress or act like a member of the opposite sex
 -somebody who has clinically diagnosed gender dysphoria
 -perhaps some other seemingly reasonable notion
But none of these are widely agreed on even within the trans community. Mention any of these criteria to trans activists and they'll tell you it's unacceptable gatekeeping.

You might tell me that even if you can't actually define what trans is you know that Kayla Lemieux can't be a real trans person, because he got caught without his costume.  But a trans supporter would tell you that there are many reasons why a trans woman might be out-of-costume.  Perhaps Kayla felt anxious or unsafe due to all the scrutiny and wanted to be anonymous for a while. Perhaps Kayla was exploring "butch" forms of gender expression. Perhaps Kayla's titz and wig were at the dry cleaner that night. We don't know.

And, it doesn't matter, because Kayla changed her gender expression, not her gender identity.  Just as a cis-woman doesn't stop being a woman just because she wears unfeminine clothes or gets a short haircut, Kayla doesn't stop being a woman just because she wore unfeminine clothes or went out without his wig and titz. He may have not been presenting a feminine gender expression that day, but that doesn't mean she doesn't still have a female gender identity.

That's what a gender-person would tell you. I, of course, believe it's all a load of dogshit.

And while Woke Dog points out that there are some paperwork steps to get your legal documents changed, you don't actually have to get your legal documents changed to declare your own gender and to demand to be treated as your self-declared gender. Yaniv didn't need to have his documents changed to take the aestheticians who wouldn't handle his balls to the BC HRT. This ham-planet from Squid-Country doesn't need to have his documents changed to take the Parksville gym to the BC HRT for not letting him hang out in the women's showers.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3217 on: June 04, 2023, 06:36:39 pm »
Kimmy needs to post more often.  Her content is gold.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3218 on: June 04, 2023, 08:32:33 pm »
Kimmy needs to post more often.  Her content is gold.

You know that she thinks you’re retarded too, right?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3219 on: June 04, 2023, 08:37:33 pm »
The Oakville teacher is trans if he says he's trans. That's how self-ID works. That's the holy grail that the transes l


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The only reason you should post more is so it doesn’t pour out like diarrhea when you do, my god.

Anyhoo the thing about self-id is that anyone can identify as anything they want, like the Queefer does when he says he's Black: whether it is deemed to be sincere or done in good faith largely depends on their actions and the observations of others. 

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You seem to be under the impression that there's some sort of objective standard as to what a "real trans" person is, and that this teacher has failed to meet this objective standard by being caught without his costume.
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You might tell me that even if you can't actually define what trans is you know that Kayla Lemieux can't be a real trans person, because he got caught without his costume.  But a trans supporter would tell you that there are many reasons why a trans woman might be out-of-costume.  Perhaps Kayla felt anxious or unsafe due to all the scrutiny and wanted to be anonymous for a while. Perhaps Kayla was exploring "butch" forms of gender expression. Perhaps Kayla's titz and wig were at the dry cleaner that night. We don't know.

It's funny to me that you're arguments here largely depend on ignoring the specifics of this case. For starters, Lemieux didn't claim to be trans, they claimed to be intersex and that their giant **** were real, not a "costume". So right there the "gender expression" gotcha falls apart in this instance.

At the end of the day, all these weird legalesque maneuvers to try and pin trans supporters into a corner are a lot like when right-wing shitheads say "uh I thought you guys said believe all women" or pretend that the guy who shot up that gay club and then claimed to be non-binary was not just a troll relying as they do on the notion that there are hard and fast rules that are being broken, making women or transgender advocates look like hypocrites.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3220 on: June 05, 2023, 07:48:17 am »
It's fascinating how far people can let their imaginations carry them. According to Nikki Haley, boys in girls change rooms is "the women's issue of our time" and the reason why a third of all girls are contemplating suicide.

People need to step back from the internet and engage in reality more.

https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1665529822909456384?s=20

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3221 on: June 06, 2023, 08:49:11 pm »
But wouldn't banning Dylan Mulvaney from women's washrooms force women to share their washrooms with Chaz Bono? Wouldn't that be more uncomfortable?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3222 on: June 09, 2023, 03:53:06 pm »
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #3224 on: June 09, 2023, 04:24:23 pm »