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Offline kimmy

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2220 on: November 12, 2021, 11:18:35 pm »
I know when I raised the issue about transwomen being put in men's prisons with our resident TERF her actual response was "Why is it up to feminists to solve the problem of violence in men's prisons?" so I can't imagine their views on what happens to them in bathrooms is much different.

Wasn't your response to that issue something along the lines of "So? Those women aren't angels"?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2221 on: November 12, 2021, 11:41:11 pm »
"It's only a hate crime if they die."-you

It's not minimizing this person's death to point out that while tragic it's not evidence of a "trans genocide" going on.  We could acknowledge that if a person were kicked to death by a momma deer protecting her baby, it would be tragic, while also acknowledging that there's not any evidence of a mass genocide of humans by deer.  There's no evidence of a "trans genocide", indeed the evidence we have appears to indicate that murder rates for trans people are actually lower than average.

So you point out that hate crime doesn't necessarily mean murder. That's a good point. But hate crime data from the US indicates by a very large margin most hate crimes involve race and religion.  And according to the US data, even considering just hate crimes involving sexual orientation and gender identity, the large majority of victims are gay men, not trans or genderfabulous people.

So then I imagine the next thing is "okay well maybe trans people are victims of lots of non-murder hate crimes that just don't get reported to the authorities."  But the only evidence to support that claim comes from non-scientific opt-in volunteered response surveys.  Coming from people who claim that misgendering is "literal violence", I think that kind of data needs to be viewed with a bit of skepticism.

I don't doubt that trans people might hear hurtful comments as they go about their day. But so does everybody else, with the possible exception of cis white men.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2222 on: November 13, 2021, 12:08:11 am »
On a related note, the Scottish woman being prosecuted for wrongthink, Marion Millar, has obtained legal representation in the form of lawyer and Scottish MP Joanna Cherry. Which is probably better than being represented by a right-wing religious freedom outfit.   Millar was supposed to make her first court appearance tomorrow, but the prosecution have announced that they are postponing the hearing until August 17.  No reason was given.

I can only assume that the prosecutor must have had a nervous breakdown or mental health crisis at the prospect of appearing in court to argue that a picture of a suffragette ribbon constitutes a hate crime.

After multiple postponements, Scottish prosecutors have discontinued the case against Marion Millar. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-59076966

They dragged proceedings on for as long as they could to keep the Sword of Damocles dangling over Millar for as long as possible; when more delays were no longer viable they punted.  Discontinuing the case means they don't have to face a crushing legal defeat which would dissuade them from doing the same thing to someone else.  They don't actually even want to go to court and risk defeat, because that would mean they'd have to stop this tactic. They're happy doing what they're doing, which is to use the process itself as the punishment.  In regard to the months of anxiety and legal expense they inflicted upon Marion Millar they will simply say "well, we have discontinued the case, so no harm no foul, carry on, pip-pip" and move on to inflicting the same anxiety and legal expenses upon the next woman.

The next woman has already been picked; her name is Ceri Black, a Northern Ireland lesbian who police "requested" come for an interview regarding something-or-other she posted on the Bird App. She has publicly stated that she's not coming; they will have come arrest her. The police have embarked on a strategy of begging and/or pleading with Black to get an interview.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2223 on: November 13, 2021, 12:18:50 am »
F*** you Kimmy!  Tomorrow is Saturday night, I think i'm gonna put on a dress and some lipstick and hit the clubs downtown and hide in some women's washrooms.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2224 on: November 13, 2021, 01:35:04 pm »
Wasn't your response to that issue something along the lines of "So? Those women aren't angels"?

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No, that's super f(cked up.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2225 on: November 13, 2021, 01:39:31 pm »
It's not minimizing this person's death to point out that while tragic it's not evidence of a "trans genocide" going on.

Which wasn't something I claimed; rather, that kind of thing is an inevitable consequence of your preferred shitter policy.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2226 on: November 13, 2021, 01:58:29 pm »
Remember Lily Cade, the **** actress and **** producer who makes **** for lesbians who became a TERF star for refusing to have sex with a trans performer?
She's been accused (and has admitted to) sexually assaulting multiple women (including in bathrooms, ironically enough).

Oh and her website was pulled down after she posted some extremely violent and f*cked up stuff about murdering trans people.

I only mention this because she was something of a poster child for the "trans people are pressuring lesbians for sex!" angle and that despite what some might claim, the hate isn't a one way street.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2227 on: November 18, 2021, 12:34:45 pm »
Imagine you're in junior high and you're trying to change a tampon or just use the washroom, and there's boys trying to peek between the gaps in the barrier, or listening at the door, or holding their cell phone camera over or under the barrier. It's **** inhumane that school officials would inflict something like that on young girls. It makes me want to puke.
 

FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate... BUT... I went to high school in Europe with unisex bathrooms and it was not a big deal.  If you were stupid enough to hang around in a bathroom and behave badly you would be easily caught and reported...

But your fears aren't irrational either.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2228 on: November 28, 2021, 05:47:51 pm »
FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate... BUT... I went to high school in Europe with unisex bathrooms and it was not a big deal.  If you were stupid enough to hang around in a bathroom and behave badly you would be easily caught and reported...

But your fears aren't irrational either.

From last week, another reminder that teenage boys are just animals with less fur:
https://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/education/councillors-hear-of-claims-that-boys-at-jedburgh-grammar-campus-waved-sanitary-products-like-flags-3471533
School administrators who inflict this kind of humiliation on teenage girls are either stupid or they just hate girls. Either way, they're not fit for their offices and should be terminated.  Ideally they would also be marched down to town square and pelted with rotting fruit.

It might not seem like a big deal to you now; maybe when Peasy is older you'll feel differently.

FWIW I still am not interested much in the content of the arguments as much as the framing of the debate...

So on that front, I never did get your thoughts on that fake news article Black Dog posted, where Slate and a number of other left-wing websites were all pushing the narrative that the Wi Spa incident was a hoax, based on nothing more than speculation.  Why are lefties so comfortable with fake news? You guys howl about right-wing sites covering stories in a way that you feel pushes an agenda, yet it seems clear that it's not so much the pushing of an agenda you guys disagree with, it's whether you support the agenda being pushed.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2229 on: November 28, 2021, 05:54:19 pm »
Sorry, I lost track of the fakeness claims.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2230 on: November 28, 2021, 07:58:55 pm »
So on that front, I never did get your thoughts on that fake news article Black Dog posted, where Slate and a number of other left-wing websites were all pushing the narrative that the Wi Spa incident was a hoax, based on nothing more than speculation. Why are lefties so comfortable with fake news? You guys howl about right-wing sites covering stories in a way that you feel pushes an agenda, yet it seems clear that it's not so much the pushing of an agenda you guys disagree with, it's whether you support the agenda being pushed.

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Yeah because all we had at the time was one claim by a person with a documented anti-LGBTQ agenda before this happened and a video which somehow managed to not include the alleged perpetrator. That you'd lump incomplete reporting based on fragmentary evidence in with "fake news" aka deliberately false or misleading propaganda shows you aren't addressing this in good faith at all.