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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2085 on: October 14, 2021, 07:56:29 pm »

I don't think the average Canadian genuinely gives a **** about trans people using facilities that correspond to their gender identity but your implication that people who would seek to do so are perverts reinforces to my point above.

No, they're really not. And sayin so would be like me calling everyone on the left side of the fence a commie. It'd be stupid, in other words.
I'm sure most people don't think much about trans people or pretend trans people in womens showers or changing rooms until they encounter one. Or until they read about incidents like the above. Then it pisses them off.

And the thing which gets me about your position and that of others like you on this subject is you've got a situation where you've won just about 100% of what almost all legitimate trans people wanted. And you're **** it up by trying to push, push, push that extra, stupid, unreasonable bit that is going to **** mainstream people off and provoke a backlash. It is from **** like this that the likes of Trump are born as people get tired of this kind of garbage.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2086 on: October 14, 2021, 07:59:30 pm »
I think the objection to Darren's or any "man's" presence in a woman's changeroom is the assumption that "he" is sexually attracted to women and thereby invading their privacy with the potential for leering behaviour.
By that standard, how do you feel about lesbians and bisexual women being allowed in?

Lesbian and bisexual women don't look at other women in the same way as hetro men do. They can appreciate when someone looks good but it's simply not the same. They have the same parts, after all.

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« Reply #2087 on: October 14, 2021, 08:04:06 pm »
Lesbian and bisexual women don't look at other women in the same way as hetro men do. They can appreciate when someone looks good but it's simply not the same. They have the same parts, after all.

There is just so much wrong with that.  Having the 'same parts' has nothing to do with it; being attracted to that gender has everything to with it.

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« Reply #2088 on: October 14, 2021, 08:07:14 pm »

But I still get the impression, too often, that a transgendered person is assumed to have ill-intent in entering female spaces, just because they are transgendered.  Do you see that too?  e'?

Depends on the situation. Depends on the space. So okay, let me ask you a question.  You're a biological man with a big hairy **** dangling between your fat, hairy thighs, big hairy belly and chest. You feel like you're a woman. You act and dress like you're a woman. You dream and fantasize about being a woman. You want people to respect that and accept you.

So do you go into a womens change room and strip naked and dangle your big hairy **** around at everyone?  You know what the reaction will be. The women there will mostly recoil, make faces, maybe curse you, shun you, and scurry away as if you had the plague. Is that what you think a real transgender person is going to be looking for? Because I don't. I don't believe any mentally healthy person would be interested in that kind of thing. It would be too dispiriting on their part, and they know full well it would scare women, which they don't want to do anyway.

So yes, the odds of someone doing that being legitimately transgendered as opposed to being a sick **** are pretty low.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2089 on: October 14, 2021, 08:09:30 pm »
There is just so much wrong with that.  Having the 'same parts' has nothing to do with it; being attracted to that gender has everything to with it.

It has something to do with it but it's just not the same attitude as a male hetro. I can't really explain it myself. My sister is gay and has a ton of friends and that's one of the things that came up years ago when we were chatting and they all were pretty confident that the way they look at women was entirely different. It's not like a crystal clear memory I can recite word for word for you.

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« Reply #2090 on: October 14, 2021, 08:15:29 pm »
Depends on the situation. Depends on the space. So okay, let me ask you a question.  You're a biological man with a big hairy **** dangling between your fat, hairy thighs, big hairy belly and chest. You feel like you're a woman. You act and dress like you're a woman. You dream and fantasize about being a woman. You want people to respect that and accept you.

So do you go into a womens change room and strip naked and dangle your big hairy **** around at everyone?  You know what the reaction will be. The women there will mostly recoil, make faces, maybe curse you, shun you, and scurry away as if you had the plague. Is that what you think a real transgender person is going to be looking for? Because I don't. I don't any mentally healthy person would be interested in that kind of thing.

So yes, the odds of someone doing that being legitimately transgendered as opposed to being a sick **** are pretty low.

And yet, when transgendered people behave as a mentally healthy person, nobody notices - not even the women whose space they're 'invading'.  And when some sick fck waves his junk around in front of women, that's used to define transsexuals as perverts just looking to get a glimpse, and lying to do so. 

Darren what's'name isn't the embodiment of transsexuals, despite all the hype about 'men pretending to be women so they can practice their perversion'. 

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« Reply #2091 on: October 14, 2021, 08:22:45 pm »
It has something to do with it but it's just not the same attitude as a male hetro. I can't really explain it myself. My sister is gay and has a ton of friends and that's one of the things that came up years ago when we were chatting and they all were pretty confident that the way they look at women was entirely different. It's not like a crystal clear memory I can recite word for word for you.

I still don't understand how even your sister could determine that lesbian women being attracted to women is somehow different than men being attracted to women.  Or men being attracted to men, or women being attracted to men. 

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« Reply #2092 on: October 15, 2021, 06:06:48 am »
Depends on the situation. Depends on the space. So okay, let me ask you a question.  You're a biological man with a big hairy **** dangling between your fat, hairy thighs, big hairy belly and chest. You feel like you're a woman. You act and dress like you're a woman. You dream and fantasize about being a woman. You want people to respect that and accept you.

So do you go into a womens change room and strip naked and dangle your big hairy **** around at everyone?  You know what the reaction will be. The women there will mostly recoil, make faces, maybe curse you, shun you, and scurry away as if you had the plague. Is that what you think a real transgender person is going to be looking for? Because I don't. I don't believe any mentally healthy person would be interested in that kind of thing. It would be too dispiriting on their part, and they know full well it would scare women, which they don't want to do anyway.

So yes, the odds of someone doing that being legitimately transgendered as opposed to being a sick **** are pretty low.
Do you know what "straw man" means?.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2093 on: October 15, 2021, 10:31:01 am »
No, they're really not. And sayin so would be like me calling everyone on the left side of the fence a commie. It'd be stupid, in other words.


There are no conservatives anymore.

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I'm sure most people don't think much about trans people or pretend trans people in womens showers or changing rooms until they encounter one. Or until they read about incidents like the above. Then it pisses them off.

OK and?

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And the thing which gets me about your position and that of others like you on this subject is you've got a situation where you've won just about 100% of what almost all legitimate trans people wanted. And you're **** it up by trying to push, push, push that extra, stupid, unreasonable bit that is going to **** mainstream people off and provoke a backlash.

Yeah yeah yeah this is the same **** I heard for years when I was arguing for gay marriage. It was nonsense then as it is now.

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It is from **** like this that the likes of Trump are born as people get tired of this kind of garbage.

Real "Look woman I wouldn't hit you if you didnt make me mad." energy here.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2094 on: October 15, 2021, 06:15:17 pm »
And yet, when transgendered people behave as a mentally healthy person, nobody notices - not even the women whose space they're 'invading'. 

That's kind of my point. They don't have any interest in going into women's showers or open change rooms and revealing their hideous maleness. So why are certain people so determined to insist they be given the absolute legal the right to do so? Are they really campaigning for transgendered people or do they just have their own agenda? Maybe an agenda which is more than slightly misogynistic.

 
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Darren what's'name isn't the embodiment of transsexuals, despite all the hype about 'men pretending to be women so they can practice their perversion'.

Of course not. But the activists seem to be determined to ensure he becomes that representative.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2095 on: October 15, 2021, 06:16:28 pm »
Do you know what "straw man" means?.

Point out to me where anything I said is a straw man in the context of a discussion of naked biological men introducing on female only changing/shower/bathing spaces.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2096 on: October 15, 2021, 06:18:44 pm »
There are no conservatives anymore.

That's as dumb as dirt.
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Real "Look woman I wouldn't hit you if you didnt make me mad." energy here.

Given how misogynistic your views are that's quite the joke. Did your mom not like you or something? Get beat up by a girl in high school and never lived it down?

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2097 on: October 15, 2021, 09:18:34 pm »
If a trans woman did use male change rooms, what happens when a man sees their fake boobs and fake lady parts?  Is it more ok if a trans woman still has her ding-dong?

Do trans men ever get plastic surgery to get themselves a ding-dong?  Sounds complicated.
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« Reply #2098 on: October 15, 2021, 11:14:05 pm »

Gee I wonder why no one picked up the challenge from someone who clearly is operating in such good faith when they also say stuff like:
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What's really disgusting is that some of you wokies will actually consider it a victory if Darren Merager gets acquitted.

If Merager gets acquitted, we both know that there will be a bazillion wokies saying "YEAH! Trans rights! Suck it, TERFs!", and we both know that there will be no wokies who will spend a moment, publicly at least, pondering the fairness of a law that allows a repeat sex offender to self-identify himself into spaces where women and girls are naked and vulnerable.

Book mark this, and if I am wrong come back and throw it in my face.

The question is a dumb one because no one is saying women can't protest whatever they want.

Nice try, but no. I didn't ask why they *can't* protest it.  I asked why they *shouldn't* protest it.

You (and Slate, and Washington Post, and The Daily Beast, and The Guardian, and The Daily Dot, and Insider, and probably other supposedly reputable media outlets that I'm forgetting) clearly expressed the view that these women *shouldn't* have been protesting. So instead of weaseling out of it, lay that out for us.

"No one is saying those women can't protest against self-ID on demand, we're just saying that if they do they're Nazis and fascists and literally killing trans people."
  -you (and Slate, and Washington Post, and The Daily Beast, and The Guardian, and The Daily Dot, and Insider, and probably other supposedly reputable media outlets that I'm forgetting.)

This is just concern trolling.

No. Concern trolling is when you and your team briefly, for a week or so in February, pretended as if you cared about women's privacy, when it was briefly useful in arguing against laws that keep dudes from competing in women's sports.  Now that that ship has sailed, you're way past pretending to care about women's privacy, and all in favor of Fucken Darren being able to self-identify into the women's changing room and showers.

(pro-tip: if a WokeBro says he cares about women's privacy, he is lying.)

I'm not concern-trolling when I complain that woke idiots keep handing right-wingers ammo to shoot them with. I don't support repealing gay rights back to the 1980s. I don't support repealing women's rights back to the 1950s. But that's what is going to happen if you guys get your way, because you guys on the far left keep pushing policies that are completely disconnected from sane people in the real world.  Woke ideology is far less popular than wokies think it is. I've talked about this in another thread. I'll bump that thread with some new material later this weekend.

You can't make common cause with these people (something you've quite openly supported here) and then pretend to be upset with how they'll weaponize it to attack other causes.

I am grateful to the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom (the right-wing religious law group) for defending the aestheticians, pro-bono, against Jessica Yaniv's vexatious HRC claims. I think that was outstanding, excellent, fantastic, amazing, tremendous, I can't find enough superlatives to put on that. And as a homosexual atheist, I hate having to applaud JCCF.

And I supported the Alliance Defending Freedom taking on the lawsuit of the female Connecticut athletes who challenged the Connecticut athletics policy that required them to compete against dudes. And as a homosexual atheist, I hate having to applaud ADF.

You're trying to draw a link between those two cases and the Proud Boys showing up uninvited at a protest. The link you're trying to draw fails. The connection you're trying to make is complete bullshit.

Again, you can simultaneously welcome the support and money of the far right (which you have done repeatedly), gloss over their presence on the street and then turn around and whine about being tarred with the same brush. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

And again, what you're selling here is bullshit. Your effort to equate supporting two meaningful legal efforts that had significance for women's legal rights with a bunch of goons showing up uninvited at a protest against an unjust law fails.  You're attempting a sleight of hand, and it fails.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2099 on: October 15, 2021, 11:31:03 pm »

And again, the notion that anybody who isn't fully on board with Team Woke is "the far right" is disconnected from reality.  People might agree with that in whatever bubble you inhabit, but that's not the real world.

I don't think the average Canadian genuinely gives a **** about trans people using facilities that correspond to their gender identity but your implication that people who would seek to do so are perverts reinforces to my point above.

Darren Merager is clearly a pervert; the repeat convictions for indecent exposure make the point. Reminder, he's also currently on trial for hanging out in the girl's locker room when a highschool girls' water polo team was changing. Implying that this could be exploited by perverts reinforces the point that it's made to be exploited by perverts.

You and the trans rights activists are cheerleading for a law that allows Darren Merager to self-identify himself into the girl's changing rooms.

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