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« Reply #1995 on: July 19, 2021, 04:47:26 pm »
Meanwhile, over on TERF island, a popular gender critical columnist has put out a new book in which she launders anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

But hey, the enemy of my enemy etc...

This is the first time this person has been mentioned in this thread….  So who here do you think supports this person?

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« Reply #1996 on: July 19, 2021, 07:48:04 pm »
This is the first time this person has been mentioned in this thread….  So who here do you think supports this person?

I do.  Helen Joyce is one of the people I read regularly. She's one of the most levelheaded people on gender stuff. I might buy her book when it's available here.

Meanwhile, over on TERF island, a popular gender critical columnist has put out a new book in which she launders anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

The claim that George Soros is part of a secret cabal of child-eating **** is an antisemitic conspiracy.

The claim that George Soros funds transgender advocacy through his Open Society Foundation is an easily verifiable fact.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/essential-legal-right-trans-people

Trans activists and their cheerleaders are attempting to slander Joyce as an antisemitic conspiracy theorist because she correctly listed Soros alongside other billionaire supporters of trans activism. That speaks volumes about how intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt these people are.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1997 on: July 19, 2021, 09:58:25 pm »
Trans people are such a threat that gender critical folks have to actually make up incidents of trans people exposing themselves in changerooms. That hoax led to a bunch of Proud Boys staging a protest to harrass the spa.

Slate "Outward" citing speculation from LA Blade and anonymous users at www.transsafety.net is the journalistic equivalent of Uwe Boll directing an Adam Sandler script starring Rob Schneider.

In the first week or so after the video went viral, the trans cheerleader narrative wasn't "it was a hoax", it was "trans women are women and belong in women's facilities and cis women and girls will have to get used to it," "if your daughter saw a dick in the hot tub it's your fault for raising a rude child", "what's wrong with young girls seeing dicks? we should get young girls used to seeing dicks," and so on. That stuff went over like a turd in a punch-bowl, which is when the hoax claim started picking up steam.

This has turned into a woke version of the Schrodinger's Cat paradox where either there was never a dick in the hot-tub or else there was a dick in the hot-tub and women and girls will have to learn to love the feminine wang, and you can't tell which is the case until you look in the hot tub and observe a dick.

One of the videos uploaded by "CubanAngel" shows a Wi Spa employee explaining that "he identifies as a woman", which would be an odd thing to say if there wasn't a trans woman there.  And, this wouldn't be the first such incident.

Example one: the first opening post in this thread was about a trans woman wanting to unveil the feminine wang at a womens' only **** spa.  Regarding which, wokies declared that women would have to accept the feminine wang in female spaces. 

Example two:  https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/wi-spa-video/
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As it happens, Wi Spa isn’t the only similar space that’s had to balance accommodating both cis customers and trans customers in various stages of their transitions. A rep for Century Day and Night Spa on Olympic Boulevard recalls a similar situation just before the pandemic shut them down in spring 2020 in which a trans woman (“with everything reflected female on her driver’s license”) caused an uproar among cis gender female clients by exposing male genitals in the female pools and lockers. “[She] wouldn’t really use the spas, [she] just sat at the corner of the pool with [her] feet in the water and [her] legs spread or took front-facing showers,” the rep recalls. “People began to feel uncomfortable. It became very disruptive.” When the spa finally confronted her, she was adamant that the spa should attempt to normalize young girls and women viewing male genitalia.

“Typically,” says the rep, “transgender people are very mindful of not only their own comfort levels but the comfort levels of people around them. This person was not respectful.”


Third person, citing an incident from January 2020.
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The idea that "trans women are women and trans women belong in women's spaces" is part and parcel of trans ideology and trans activism, and yet you're declaring it a hoax. Why? Why would it you assume it's a hoax that a trans person goes and does something that trans activists and their allies and the civil authorities say that they're completely entitled to do?


That hoax led to a bunch of Proud Boys staging a protest to harrass the spa.

The protest was organized by women, not by "Proud Boys".  Something that the crack journalists at Slate neglected to mention is that the SoCal Antifa organized a counter-protest as soon as they heard about the women's protest.  Slate somehow missed the part about Antifa goons showing up to harrass, intimidate, and assault women.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/07/03/la-spa-transgender-rally-lgbtq/

Thought for the day: if your "anti-fascist direct action" is bullying women who are protesting about their rights, you're the fascist.

I wonder how many of the other incidents we've heard of it this thread were hoaxes.

I stopped holding links under Michael's nose to prove that stuff happens because everybody here seemed to have given up on "tHaT nEvEr HaPpEnS!"

But on a similar note, I wonder how much crime attributed to women is committed by "self-identified" women.


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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1998 on: July 19, 2021, 10:20:53 pm »
FYI the Justice Centre is a loony far right group whose founder recently had to step down after it came out that he hired a P.I to tail the Manitoba Court of Queen’s Bench Chief Justice.

Perhaps if some progressive organizations were willing to defend women, people like Hamm and the aestheticians taken to HRT by Yaniv would have more options than just JCCF when it comes to legal representation.

Maybe trans activists and their woke allies should stop handing JCCF opportunities to look like the good-guys.




On a related note, the Scottish woman being prosecuted for wrongthink, Marion Millar, has obtained legal representation in the form of lawyer and Scottish MP Joanna Cherry. Which is probably better than being represented by a right-wing religious freedom outfit.   Millar was supposed to make her first court appearance tomorrow, but the prosecution have announced that they are postponing the hearing until August 17.  No reason was given.

I can only assume that the prosecutor must have had a nervous breakdown or mental health crisis at the prospect of appearing in court to argue that a picture of a suffragette ribbon constitutes a hate crime.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1999 on: July 19, 2021, 10:29:49 pm »
I do.  Helen Joyce is one of the people I read regularly. She's one of the most levelheaded people on gender stuff. I might buy her book when it's available here.

The claim that George Soros is part of a secret cabal of child-eating **** is an antisemitic conspiracy.

The claim that George Soros funds transgender advocacy through his Open Society Foundation is an easily verifiable fact.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/essential-legal-right-trans-people

Trans activists and their cheerleaders are attempting to slander Joyce as an antisemitic conspiracy theorist because she correctly listed Soros alongside other billionaire supporters of trans activism. That speaks volumes about how intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt these people are.


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I assumed BlackDog wasn’t full of **** when he said she was antisemitic.

Have to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt about these things.

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« Reply #2000 on: July 20, 2021, 11:21:32 am »
I do.  Helen Joyce is one of the people I read regularly. She's one of the most levelheaded people on gender stuff. I might buy her book when it's available here.

The claim that George Soros is part of a secret cabal of child-eating **** is an antisemitic conspiracy.

The claim that George Soros funds transgender advocacy through his Open Society Foundation is an easily verifiable fact.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/essential-legal-right-trans-people


Trans activists and their cheerleaders are attempting to slander Joyce as an antisemitic conspiracy theorist because she correctly listed Soros alongside other billionaire supporters of trans activism. That speaks volumes about how intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt these people are.

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Lol "correctly"

How stupid do you have to be to not see the connection between naming three Jewish billionaires and the antisemitic conspiracy theories about them?

The thread I posted clearly shows the chain between Helen Joyce, Jennifer Bilek and actual neoNazis. but i'm sure your response will be "oh well if trans people weren't so uppity we wouldn't have to get into bed with Nazis!"
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« Reply #2001 on: July 20, 2021, 11:28:43 am »
Oof what a mess:

Slate "Outward" citing speculation from LA Blade and anonymous users at www.transsafety.net is the journalistic equivalent of Uwe Boll directing an Adam Sandler script starring Rob Schneider.

In the first week or so after the video went viral, the trans cheerleader narrative wasn't "it was a hoax", it was "trans women are women and belong in women's facilities and cis women and girls will have to get used to it," "if your daughter saw a dick in the hot tub it's your fault for raising a rude child", "what's wrong with young girls seeing dicks? we should get young girls used to seeing dicks," and so on. That stuff went over like a turd in a punch-bowl, which is when the hoax claim started picking up steam.

This has turned into a woke version of the Schrodinger's Cat paradox where either there was never a dick in the hot-tub or else there was a dick in the hot-tub and women and girls will have to learn to love the feminine wang, and you can't tell which is the case until you look in the hot tub and observe a dick.

One of the videos uploaded by "CubanAngel" shows a Wi Spa employee explaining that "he identifies as a woman", which would be an odd thing to say if there wasn't a trans woman there.  And, this wouldn't be the first such incident.

So no comment on the fact it was an obvious hoax?

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Example one: the first opening post in this thread was about a trans woman wanting to unveil the feminine wang at a womens' only **** spa.  Regarding which, wokies declared that women would have to accept the feminine wang in female spaces. 

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The idea that "trans women are women and trans women belong in women's spaces" is part and parcel of trans ideology and trans activism, and yet you're declaring it a hoax. Why? Why would it you assume it's a hoax that a trans person goes and does something that trans activists and their allies and the civil authorities say that they're completely entitled to do?

This is the saddest attempt at a gotcha I've ever seen.

Nobody is suggesting people have the right to act like creeps in these spaces, that's a shithead strawman.

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The protest was organized by women, not by "Proud Boys".  Something that the crack journalists at Slate neglected to mention is that the SoCal Antifa organized a counter-protest as soon as they heard about the women's protest.  Slate somehow missed the part about Antifa goons showing up to harrass, intimidate, and assault women.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/07/03/la-spa-transgender-rally-lgbtq/

Thought for the day: if your "anti-fascist direct action" is bullying women who are protesting about their rights, you're the fascist.

TIL those guys in black tactical gear waving knives were just women protesting about their rights.

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But on a similar note, I wonder how much crime attributed to women is committed by "self-identified" women.

All natal women are perfect angels.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2002 on: July 20, 2021, 11:30:29 am »
Perhaps if some progressive organizations were willing to defend women, people like Hamm and the aestheticians taken to HRT by Yaniv would have more options than just JCCF when it comes to legal representation.

Maybe trans activists and their woke allies should stop handing JCCF opportunities to look like the good-guys.

No one is forcing you TERFs to cozy up to the far right kimmy, that's entirely your choice.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #2003 on: July 20, 2021, 12:02:21 pm »
Yeah, this is getting too nasty.

Are you folks able to discuss this without getting nasty ?

I hope so.

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« Reply #2004 on: July 20, 2021, 05:45:42 pm »
Many progressives these days are cowards.  They aren't willing to stand up for what's right when it's politically incorrect to do so, so they kowtow to whatever demands any marginalized group is asking for, even if it tramples on the rights of others who aren't as high on the victim hierarchy because these progressives don't want to be seen as a racist or sexist or homophobe or whatever.

If people like kimmy didn't stand up for their rights nobody else would, except for the right-wing bigots I guess, but most reasonable people ignore them anyways.

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« Reply #2005 on: July 20, 2021, 05:49:29 pm »
So those who support trans rights are cowards then ?

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« Reply #2006 on: July 20, 2021, 05:53:24 pm »
So those who support trans rights are cowards then ?

That's not what I said.

I'm saying when an issue comes up with trans rights where there is a conflict between the rights of trans people and another group, most progressives will side with the trans rights.  They don't seem to care much about the rights of women when implementing trans rights, now do they?  It's a victim game.  Whoever is highest on the victim hierarchy wins.  I would think the priority should be what is reasonably just and fair rather than who we feel most badly for, or how we will look to our peers or the public.
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« Reply #2007 on: July 20, 2021, 06:14:17 pm »
Many progressives these days are cowards.  They aren't willing to stand up for what's right when it's politically incorrect to do so, so they kowtow to whatever demands any marginalized group is asking for, even if it tramples on the rights of others who aren't as high on the victim hierarchy because these progressives don't want to be seen as a racist or sexist or homophobe or whatever.

Trans rights and the rights of natal women aren't incompatible no matter how many trans panic stories kimmy dredges up or how hard she works to make trans people into an existential threat to women.
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« Reply #2008 on: July 20, 2021, 06:26:07 pm »
Trans rights and the rights of natal women aren't incompatible no matter how many trans panic stories kimmy dredges up or how hard she works to make trans people into an existential threat to women.

If a trans woman wants to play competitive sports against a cis woman and isn't on hormones does the trans woman have a right to compete against the cis woman?

Does a trans woman have a right to take off her clothes in a women's change room and expose her **** and testicles in front of cis women, including cis female children?

I think there's certainly some cases where the rights conflict.
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« Reply #2009 on: July 21, 2021, 03:32:44 pm »
If a trans woman wants to play competitive sports against a cis woman and isn't on hormones does the trans woman have a right to compete against the cis woman?

Does a trans woman have a right to take off her clothes in a women's change room and expose her **** and testicles in front of cis women, including cis female children?

I think there's certainly some cases where the rights conflict.

There's certain codes of conduct in change rooms: one is don't make a big display of your junk. Another is don't stare at other people's junk. If a trans person is changing and not doing anything untoward in the process and someone decides to ogle their parts, who's fault is that?
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