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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1620 on: March 01, 2021, 02:57:18 pm »
Your definition of "culture warrior" is like your definition of cancel culture in that it is far too broad to be of any use.

So you don't think Trump and Trudeau strongly embraced identity politics in their policies?  I do.

If you strongly embrace identity politics you're a culture warrior.  That's an easy definition.  Show me 2 government leaders on the left or right that have embraced identity politics more than those 2 guys.
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« Reply #1621 on: March 01, 2021, 03:11:07 pm »
So you don't think Trump and Trudeau strongly embraced identity politics in their policies?  I do.

If you strongly embrace identity politics you're a culture warrior.  That's an easy definition.  Show me 2 government leaders on the left or right that have embraced identity politics more than those 2 guys.

Except "embracing identity politics' in the way they and other establishment figures do is largely performative/symbolic. 

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« Reply #1622 on: March 03, 2021, 11:42:01 pm »
Oh no the gender people have come for Mr Potatohead!

I assume this means they won't be including a tiny little p3nis with future versions of the toy.

Mr Potato Head isn't going anywhere. While the line of toys is being rebranded from "Mr Potato Head" to "Potato Head", Mr and Mrs Potato Head are not turning non-binary. It's part of the effort to expand from Mr Potato Head into a Potato Head Universe. It's like, it's not just "Iron Man" or "The Avengers", it's the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Just so with Mr Potato Head: there's a whole universe full of Potato Head characters waiting to be explored. Mr Potato Head, Mrs Potato Head, Jimmy Potato Head, Suzy Potato Head, Baby Potato Head,  Spud the Wonder Pup, plus their Worldbeat friends like Yam Yamamoto, Cassie Cassava, Taro Tuber, and more.  It is time for Mr Potato Head to share the spotlight with the rest of the family.



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« Reply #1623 on: March 03, 2021, 11:44:19 pm »
So you're not really progressive, you're a free speech absolutists with no actual convictions beyond that.

Because I can't imagine a real progressive person thinking the people criticizing JK Rowling and the people who cancelled the Dixie Chicks are coming from the same place.

I think it's just a recognition that if a mob can "cancel" people for saying stuff you disagree with, a mob can also "cancel" people for saying stuff you agree with.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1624 on: March 04, 2021, 12:17:30 am »
I think it's just a recognition that if a mob can "cancel" people for saying stuff you disagree with, a mob can also "cancel" people for saying stuff you agree with.

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They haven't come for me yet Kimmy, or for squiggy, or black dog.  But in the future they might, based on...whatever twitter decides.
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« Reply #1625 on: March 04, 2021, 01:55:41 am »
Conservatives fight the culture war and only the culture war because they don't have any ideas about policy.

And this is why I get miffed at "progressives" who nod along with this anti-woke culture bullshit; it just gives oxygen to bad faith narratives and helps the right.

If the left is going to continue to embrace unpopular policies, of course conservatives will try to capitalize on it.  They hand a bully a stick and say "please hit me with this stick" and are shocked when the bully hits them with the stick. And they do it over and over.  Male people competing in women's sports is a very unpopular idea, but it's one of the first things Biden implemented when he took office. Medical gender intervention on prepubescent kids is an unpopular idea, but they picked a cabinet nominee who is an outspoken advocate for that, and are surprised that Republicans questioned her about it at her confirmation hearings.  Of course they did. Why wouldn't they? It's free candy. Of course they'd take it. Stop giving them free candy. Stop handing them a stick and being surprised when they hit you with it.

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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1626 on: March 04, 2021, 05:55:49 am »
If the left is going to continue to embrace unpopular policies, of course conservatives will try to capitalize on it. 

I agree with the "embrace" part... they can still ascribe to these policies (with an eye to the future voter who will favour them) and take a moral high ground without branding the party this way.

They need to brand the party as the party of the working person in hard times.  That worked in the past.

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« Reply #1627 on: March 04, 2021, 09:49:50 am »
If the left is going to continue to embrace unpopular policies, of course conservatives will try to capitalize on it.  They hand a bully a stick and say "please hit me with this stick" and are shocked when the bully hits them with the stick. And they do it over and over.  Male people competing in women's sports is a very unpopular idea, but it's one of the first things Biden implemented when he took office. Medical gender intervention on prepubescent kids is an unpopular idea, but they picked a cabinet nominee who is an outspoken advocate for that, and are surprised that Republicans questioned her about it at her confirmation hearings.  Of course they did. Why wouldn't they? It's free candy. Of course they'd take it. Stop giving them free candy. Stop handing them a stick and being surprised when they hit you with it.

Ah yes, just give the bully the lunch money and he won't hit you. I know you're not stupid, but this is very, very stupid. The right is gonna respond in bad faith regardless of how popular the policies being pushed by the left. Universal healthcare, green energy and student debt forgiveness enjoy widespread popular support, but Republicans will attack anyone who advocates for them as a communist. They will never, ever, ever respond in good faith and will always find a way to twist things into a culture war issue so the idea of appeasing them is for suckers like racist Bill Maher.

Now with all that being said, I also think the Democrats (who are not the left) use niche social issues as a way to district from their utter unwillingness and inability to do anything to improve the lives of the people they represent, including marginalized communities. I guarantee that transpeople in men's or women's sports is not even a top of mind issue in the trans community.They'd much rather have free healthcare.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1628 on: March 04, 2021, 12:36:33 pm »
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racist Bill Maher.

Ummm...   what?

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« Reply #1629 on: March 04, 2021, 12:44:54 pm »
Ummm...   what?

I mean he's a massive Islamophobe who said the N word on TV?

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« Reply #1630 on: March 04, 2021, 01:00:55 pm »
I mean he's a massive Islamophobe who said the N word on TV?

He called someone the ‘N’-word?

What does he say that’s Islamaphobic?  As far as I can see he’s not a fan of Christianity either.  He did an entire documentary mocking Christianity called Religulous.

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« Reply #1631 on: March 04, 2021, 02:09:18 pm »
He called someone the ‘N’-word?

What does he say that’s Islamaphobic?  As far as I can see he’s not a fan of Christianity either.  He did an entire documentary mocking Christianity called Religulous.

No he used the N word, which is pretty stupid.

I'm not gonna waste time here when a simple google search will show you all the times he's said dumb stuff about Muslims/Islam.

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« Reply #1632 on: March 04, 2021, 02:12:09 pm »
No he used the N word, which is pretty stupid.

Yeah...not so smart.

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I'm not gonna waste time here when a simple google search will show you all the times he's said dumb stuff about Muslims/Islam.

Sure, sure...   I get it.  Criticizing Muslims bad.

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« Reply #1633 on: March 04, 2021, 02:30:10 pm »
Yeah...not so smart.

Sure, sure...   I get it.  Criticizing Muslims bad.

Yes that's racism. It's the same thing as people who equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.


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« Reply #1634 on: March 04, 2021, 04:15:38 pm »
The right is gonna respond in bad faith regardless of how popular the policies being pushed by the left.
The problem is the effect of the left's more pigheaded policies on the left. The left develops more of a limp from shooting itself in the foot where the right is capable of shooting itself in the head and carrying on like it was a paper cut.