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« Reply #1455 on: October 05, 2020, 06:39:36 am »
You will comply to forced newspeak terms or suffer the consequences.  We'll take your job then your soul.  Resistance is futile.  Your original thoughts will be assimilated.

Stop being hysterical...

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« Reply #1456 on: October 06, 2020, 12:07:41 am »
Stop being hysterical...

I can't help it if i'm hilarious.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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« Reply #1457 on: October 06, 2020, 07:15:32 am »
I can't help it if i'm hilarious.

Are you trying to be ?  It only works as a double-reverse irony...
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« Reply #1458 on: October 06, 2020, 10:08:55 am »
Stop being hysterical...

Is it hysterical?  We saw Lindsey Shepherd's "struggle session" with her professor and WLU's diversity police.

Last month in Australia, something similar happened. An Australian senator named Claire Chandler was summoned for a private meeting with the discrimination commissioner after publicly stating that trans-women should not compete in women's sports. The meeting was cancelled and the complaint dropped after Chandler refused to sign a waiver promising to not disclose anything discussed during the meeting. 

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« Reply #1459 on: October 06, 2020, 10:40:19 am »
Is it hysterical?  We saw Lindsey Shepherd's "struggle session" with her professor and WLU's diversity police.

Yes "You will comply to forced newspeak terms or suffer the consequences." is not true.
Shepherd's supervisors received disciplinary corrections for their improper actions.

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Last month in Australia, something similar happened. An Australian senator named Claire Chandler was summoned for a private meeting with the discrimination commissioner after publicly stating that trans-women should not compete in women's sports. The meeting was cancelled and the complaint dropped after Chandler refused to sign a waiver promising to not disclose anything discussed during the meeting. 

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Somebody on the other side of the world was summoned for a meeting ?!?  And they didn't attend ?!?  AND THE MEETING WAS CANCELLED ?!?!?!?

My god, is this 1984 ?????

Yes that was sarcastic and I rest my case that GG is being hysterical.  Let's nurture difficult conversations by having them in good faith without going crazy.  You may go crazy in response to craziness though.


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« Reply #1460 on: October 06, 2020, 10:54:39 am »
Is it hysterical?  We saw Lindsey Shepherd's "struggle session" with her professor and WLU's diversity police.

Last month in Australia, something similar happened. An Australian senator named Claire Chandler was summoned for a private meeting with the discrimination commissioner after publicly stating that trans-women should not compete in women's sports. The meeting was cancelled and the complaint dropped after Chandler refused to sign a waiver promising to not disclose anything discussed during the meeting. 

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So why would these ‘semi-disciplinary’  meetings need to take place in secret and never discussed?   I think it’s to ‘create a safe space’ for the accusers, if I have to guess.  But making the accusers anonymous, and proceedings secret, leads to outlandish accusations and punishment without anyone being able to scrutinize either.


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« Reply #1461 on: October 06, 2020, 11:13:08 am »
  But making the accusers anonymous, and proceedings secret, leads to outlandish accusations and punishment without anyone being able to scrutinize either.

That shouldn't be, but it also depends on what the 'punishment' is.  If it amounts to removal on some public-facing committee of low import, and no financial impact then it might be fine as long as accusations are corroborated.  I have looked into a lot of these claims and the Shepherd case is one of the few that has merit.

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« Reply #1462 on: October 06, 2020, 12:32:01 pm »
Yes "You will comply to forced newspeak terms or suffer the consequences." is not true.

There's many example in recent years of people being fired for their un-PC opinions.

Let's try a real-world experiment though.  Send out an email right now to your entire workplace that says "All Lives Matter" and that "transwomen aren't real women" and see what happens.  If what you say is true nothing will happen so you should have no fear in doing this.  Report back!
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« Reply #1463 on: October 06, 2020, 12:37:35 pm »
There's many example in recent years of people being fired for their un-PC opinions.

Some of these are more alarming than others though.  Firing people because they are public-facing and make comments against the president is something we can accept, as is someone who is public facing and refuses to shut up about "the Jews".

So there is nothing new or alarming here, once you drill down.

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Let's try a real-world experiment though.  Send out an email right now to your entire workplace that says "All Lives Matter" and that "transwomen aren't real women" and see what happens.  If what you say is true nothing will happen so you should have no fear in doing this.  Report back!

Sending an email in the 1960s saying "Blacks are getting uppity" would have got you fired as well.  I didn't get ONE email like that in the 1960s.

Why "being offensive" should be ok in current day is not clear to me.
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1464 on: October 06, 2020, 12:45:08 pm »
Some of these are more alarming than others though.  Firing people because they are public-facing and make comments against the president is something we can accept, as is someone who is public facing and refuses to shut up about "the Jews".

So there is nothing new or alarming here, once you drill down.

Sending an email in the 1960s saying "Blacks are getting uppity" would have got you fired as well.  I didn't get ONE email like that in the 1960s.

Why "being offensive" should be ok in current day is not clear to me.

Great point about emails in the 60's MH!
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« Reply #1465 on: October 06, 2020, 12:47:03 pm »
There's many example in recent years of people being fired for their un-PC opinions.

Let's try a real-world experiment though.  Send out an email right now to your entire workplace that says "All Lives Matter" and that "transwomen aren't real women" and see what happens.  If what you say is true nothing will happen so you should have no fear in doing this.  Report back!

But that’s absolutely fuckin’ stupid and should get you fired.  ‘All lives matter’ is a dog whistle for ‘white folks want their privilege back’.  And making transphobic comments should also get you fired.

Why would you think that the workplace is appropriate to show bigotry towards other people?   
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« Reply #1466 on: October 08, 2020, 02:31:32 am »
Some TERFs were discussing this article today.  It's a perfect example of why I think non-binary is such a gigantic wagon-load of bullshit.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/fashion/gender-identity-fashion-clothing-choices/429403

Tessa Solan might look like a young woman, but they wants you to know that they is actually a non-binary non-woman individual!

"I'm not like other girls! Other girls were wearing feminine clothes and getting boyfriends and I just wanted to wear pants and play basketball. Now that I'm non-binary, I can dress how I want and I feel totally comfortable!"

What is the difference between Tessa's non-binary trousers and coats and t-shirts and the trousers and coats and t-shirts that every other young woman has in her closet? GREAT QUESTION, BOB! What makes Tessa's non-binary trousers so special is that they open up a whole world of possibilities that just aren't available for women. Tessa will be able to work outside the home, play sports, drive a car, and who knows, maybe even vote in elections! They is free to be who they wants to be! Just imagine the possibilities!  Shop the new non-binary collection at Sainsbury's UK or order direct from our online shop! Available in they/them, ze/zer and xe/xer, please specify pronouns at time of order.



I have never heard anyone explain non-binary gender-identity without referencing outdated gender stereotypes, and Tessa Solan is no exception.  This stuff isn't just galactically stupid, it's also harmful because it's built on reinforcing gender stereotypes... often negative ones.  Tessa's claim that they is different from other girls makes the implicit claim that other girls are a monolith, and they aren't.


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