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Offline kimmy

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« Reply #1365 on: October 23, 2019, 04:12:40 am »
I'm grateful that common sense isn't completely dead in this country.

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« Reply #1366 on: October 23, 2019, 08:45:23 am »
the waldo is grateful that the CBC covered the BC Tribunal outcome - cuz the usual suspect can't complain... again!

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« Reply #1367 on: October 24, 2019, 07:05:14 am »
I'm grateful that common sense isn't completely dead in this country.

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Common sense in this case was not the argument you and others made but rather the fact that waxing male genitals required "special training" that the defendants did not have. The tribunal decided that they could not be forced to do something they weren't trained to do. It's pretty safe to assume if they had the training, they would have been required to do the work and denying Yaniv would have been a human rights violation. The entire decision hinged on their training and not on ideas of gender.

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #1368 on: October 24, 2019, 07:34:02 am »
Not to be diminish the work the tribunal did, but weren't there other factors also?

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« Reply #1369 on: October 24, 2019, 09:31:03 am »
Not to be diminish the work the tribunal did, but weren't there other factors also?

Yes there were. The tribunal called her a shake down artist.
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« Reply #1370 on: October 24, 2019, 09:58:34 am »
My trans friends hate her so much. They feel like she has set back their fight to be recognized and taken seriously by at least a decade.
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« Reply #1371 on: October 24, 2019, 11:39:59 am »
My trans friends hate her so much. They feel like she has set back their fight to be recognized and taken seriously by at least a decade.

Yaniv is clearly a bonkers opportunist.  I think most people are smart enough to see that, I don't think it will set back the trans movement much if at all.
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« Reply #1372 on: October 24, 2019, 12:08:37 pm »
Yaniv is clearly a bonkers opportunist.  I think most people are smart enough to see that, I don't think it will set back the trans movement much if at all.

Not for a lack of trying.

These issues getting picked up by mainstream media vault Yaniv and her type to the podium as spokesperson and banner flyer for trans rights. 

Agenda hijackers...

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« Reply #1373 on: October 24, 2019, 12:41:18 pm »
Agenda hijacker is correct.

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« Reply #1374 on: October 24, 2019, 01:21:21 pm »
Not for a lack of trying.

These issues getting picked up by mainstream media vault Yaniv and her type to the podium as spokesperson and banner flyer for trans rights. 

Agenda hijackers...

The story is a sideshow, it gets clicks.  Few people take her seriously, they'd have to be as dumb Yaniv is.  She has a podium but nobody gives a rat.

The trans rights stories people really care about is ie: the intersex track and field athlete, and the trans cyclist tearing it up against biological women.  These raise interesting issues we can all debate and have to address.  Few people want to force asian ladies to wax the dick and balls of a trans nutter extortionist with an ax to grind.
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« Reply #1375 on: October 24, 2019, 01:57:12 pm »
I bet this story was one of the most commented on at MLW for example.

People care about the story, if only as anger kindling.

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« Reply #1376 on: October 24, 2019, 02:02:53 pm »
I bet this story was one of the most commented on at MLW for example.

People care about the story, if only as anger kindling.

It wasn't.  There was a trans thread where this issue was covered, as well as others, such as the sports issue.

Someone gave an update of the HRT ruling in a status update.

I think more women were interested in this story and its outcome than men.
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« Reply #1377 on: October 24, 2019, 07:23:43 pm »
Actually I found quite a lot of hits on Yaniv.  There were other topics covered on the thread but generally.

Have a look at the transgender insanity thread... once the Yaniv story happens, the nuts all come out to comment... t*xme and such...
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Re: Gender Culture
« Reply #1378 on: October 25, 2019, 04:23:37 am »
Common sense in this case was not the argument you and others made but rather the fact that waxing male genitals required "special training" that the defendants did not have. The tribunal decided that they could not be forced to do something they weren't trained to do. It's pretty safe to assume if they had the training, they would have been required to do the work and denying Yaniv would have been a human rights violation. The entire decision hinged on their training and not on ideas of gender.


Lack of training was not the only defense offered by the defendants.  Religious views and concerns over personal safety were also argued by the pro-bono attorney representing these women.

I haven't been able to read the full text of the ruling yet, but this article quotes tribunal chair Devyn Cousineau as saying:

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“In the genital waxing cases, I find that scrotum waxing was not a service customarily provided by the Respondents,” Cousineau wrote. “As such, they did not deny Ms. Yaniv a service and did not discriminate against her.”

https://www.straight.com/life/1316916/racist-agenda-noted-bc-tribunal-dismissed-scrotum-waxing-complaint-transgender-woman

She doesn't specify lack of training as being the reason. To me that reads more like a more general statement of support for the aesthetician's right to establish boundaries such as "no dongs". 

the waldo is grateful that the CBC covered the BC Tribunal outcome - cuz the usual suspect can't complain... again!

the kimmo would point out that the CBC has framed Yaniv as a good-faith human rights activist, and that as a result someone who relied solely on the Ceeb for their news might find themselves perplexed and shocked that Ms Cousineau was so thoroughly unsympathetic to Yaniv in the ruling.  the kimmo remains of the view that the Ceeb's reporting of this case didn't give their reader the background to understand why Cousineau excoriated Yaniv in the ruling.


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« Reply #1379 on: October 25, 2019, 11:38:26 am »
the waldo is grateful that the CBC covered the BC Tribunal outcome - cuz the usual suspect can't complain... again!
the kimmo would point out that the CBC has framed Yaniv as a good-faith human rights activist, and that as a result someone who relied solely on the Ceeb for their news might find themselves perplexed and shocked that Ms Cousineau was so thoroughly unsympathetic to Yaniv in the ruling.  the kimmo remains of the view that the Ceeb's reporting of this case didn't give their reader the background to understand why Cousineau excoriated Yaniv in the ruling.

as stated before: your want to have the CBC's fact based coverage devolve into publishing your favoured blog hosted, agenda-driven messaging is a non-starter!

CBC July 26: Transgender woman testifies at human rights tribunal after being refused Brazilian wax

CBC Oct 22: Estheticians don't have to wax male genitalia against their will, B.C. tribunal rules --- Transgender woman loses complaint against estheticians who refused her service
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The ruling also found that Yaniv engaged in improper conduct by misleading the tribunal, by being untruthful, and by engaging in extortionate behaviour and scurrilous attacks.

It was also noted that she brought most of her 15 complaints against women described as "not white," while expressing racial animosity on social media and in her testimony.

Yaniv was ordered to pay $2,000 to each of three respondents.