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Offline BC_cheque

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Re: Entitlement culture
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2017, 03:23:36 pm »
Thanks, BC.  I'm fortunate to have an employer who also contributes to my RRSP, too.  For a small company, we have a lot of benefits - health, dental, eyecare.  Plus she gives everyone 1 paid sick day/month (It can accrue but goes back to 0 if you don't use them by the end of the year) and just a couple weeks ago, she is giving us each 1 paid "mental health day"/month.

Nice!  There are many benefits to being on payroll.  I had two bad experiences being laid off and I vowed never to work for one company again and I went into self-employment. 

I have to pay for all my own extended benefits (for which I do budget), my own retirement, mat-leave, personal days and stats and holidays and although it's desperately needed, I don't get any mental health days!   :'(

A nice reliable employer who treats its employees well is worth its weight in gold.

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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2017, 03:38:59 pm »
I was self-employed for almost 20 yrs, so I hear ya.  But sometimes I miss it.
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2017, 04:56:26 pm »
I have some anecdotes too but not for my family personally.  How come all the socialist (read - Entitled) European countries with work/life balance and heavy taxation aren't falling apart economically and have such better standard of living and happier citizens?
Smaller homogeneous countries are better able to maintain the social cohesion necessary to maintain high tax rates and a nanny state. Such cohesion simply does not exist in Canada or the US. I personally think work place benefits are over rated and I would rather just get the cash (i.e. a company that gives you a mental health day has factored that into your salary so you are making less than what you could make without the benefit).

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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2017, 06:38:29 pm »
How come all the socialist (read - Entitled) European countries with work/life balance and heavy taxation aren't falling apart economically and have such better standard of living and happier citizens? 

Who says socialist=entitled? And who says they have a better standard of living? I'm no expert, but it seems to me that most Europeans don't focus so much on things as the Americans do - and we tend to take after the Americans since much of our culture is seen through their TV shows and movies. My understanding is house/apartment sizes tend to be much smaller, people are much less likely to have cars, much less multiple cars. On the other hand, most Europeans get way more vacation time than we do and work to live rather than living to work.

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How come the US has so much more maternal mortality than the rest of the developed world even though their healthcare is private and top tier?  How come their taxation is slightly below ours yet their citizens have so little compared to ours?

The US is separate countries. If you do the stats on just the White part of America you'll find that they are wealthier than us and have much bigger houses on much bigger plots of land, as well as very low infant mortality rates. These are, by and large, people with good health care plans(though not not ALL of them obviously). If you examine Blacks and Hispanics, on the other hand, the statistics will be considerably different.

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What measure should we really be using to assess a country's performance when it comes to taxation and providing for its citizens?

That's hard to say since what makes the people in one nation happy won't suffice for the people in another. The Americans are obsessed with personal freedom and government non-interference, for example, but Europeans, not so much. I would say that the life of a Frenchman or British man or Dutchman is largely better than that of the average American (or Canadian), with less stress and more vacation time. People have less money, but the government does more for them. But it's not as simple as just going their way and upping taxes. We spend about the same on our public health care as they do on theirs, for example, but we don't get as much for it.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2017, 08:12:07 am »
It's bloody quantifiable enough in my world....two kids, 19 and 20. 

My son is the younger and living in his own apartment, full time job, credit card, vehicle loan, etc.  Doesn't expect anyone to give him anything (except maybe a little "help" from dad once in a while that he doesn't ask for). 

Now my daughter?  Totally different situation - living with her boyfriend, no job, no education past high school, no interest in finding a job or getting her license, and thinks the world should pay her for her efforts.  Big into "social causes" whether they affect her or not (or whether she even understands them or not!)  I remember her getting all worked up because my son said he couldn't give a damn one way or the other if someone is gay - she started going off how "that's illegal!!!"  I had to set her straight on "the law".  Hate to say it, but my girl turned out to be the epitome of a "snowflake" as did a whole pile of the people she went to high school with.

Parents and teachers jointly created these types of people.

The boy is proud of what he has because he earned it.  The girl has no respect for anything really and I think it's because things were just given to her without any effort on her part.  This would be the very definition of "entitlement culture".
These are called personal anecdotes that are embedded in your biased opinions on the situation. This is not empirical quantification.

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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2017, 08:13:35 am »
Thanks for that info.  Ya, I don't need the figures for making 300K/yr.  LOL  ;D

I've never used EI and I've been told for the last 10-15 years or so that the CPP coffers will be long gone by the time I'm ready to collect, so I don't rely on that for retirement and view it as an additional "tax" for which I will get nothing in return.  Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised when I retire and receive a CPP cheque.  We'll see.  But I'm sure not counting on it.
CPP doesn't go into general revenue, so whoever is telling you that is grossly misinformed. What may be true is that CPP won't be enough for your lifestyle.

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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2017, 10:14:54 am »
These are called personal anecdotes that are embedded in your biased opinions on the situation. This is not empirical quantification.

Can I quote you on that?
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2017, 12:26:50 pm »
Can I quote you on that?
Can I quote it back to you when you start to tell me what's in the "hearts and minds" of the Muslims who are admitted into Canada and who are born here? When you ask me if I speak Arabic, as if all Muslims are Arabs?

It's pretty amusing how pissy you get when you're challenged on your racist and bigoted views.

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2017, 04:43:37 pm »
Can I quote it back to you when you start to tell me what's in the "hearts and minds" of the Muslims who are admitted into Canada and who are born here?

Since I always base them on polls and surveys ad not on "I met a Muslim and he was nice to me!" no, you can't.
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It's pretty amusing how pissy you get when you're challenged on your racist and bigoted views.

It's really just frustration. I like to have intelligent conversations, yet so often the topic winds up being about me and not anything else because most of the people on the other side are too pig ignorant and immature, and too puffed up with self-righteous indignation to argue the point.

And I find it amusing, too, that most of their positions are clearly derived by a deep racism and sense of white superiority that causes them to 'protect' non-whites in this incredibly paternalistic fashion - the noble, self-appointed saviors of the poor brown people. Gah.  ::)
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2017, 04:47:54 pm »
. I like to have intelligent conversations, yet so often the topic winds up being about me and not anything else because most of the people on the other side are too pig ignorant and immature, and too puffed up with self-righteous indignation to argue the point.



Yep, you really did a lot to redeem yourself there.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2017, 06:24:57 pm »
Yep, you really did a lot to redeem yourself there.

Whatever on EARTH would make you think I have enough respect for you to want to 'redeem' myself?!  :o

Your name is already on my ignore list, as it was in MLW. If JMT ever figures out why it's not working that will the last I see of you, and you can go on having bland agreement with your fellow progressives.
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Re: Entitlement culture
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2017, 11:00:29 am »
Ok, I click on the 'new posts'... 3 threads seem to be about Muslims.... moderator?
 

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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2017, 11:16:11 am »
Ok, I click on the 'new posts'... 3 threads seem to be about Muslims.... moderator?

They do tend to make the news a lot, don't they?
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« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2017, 11:25:19 am »
Ok, I click on the 'new posts'... 3 threads seem to be about Muslims.... moderator?

I concur.  Perhaps an all-purpose Muslim thread?  Any post which mentions Muslims, FGM, terror, Islam, Islamic, Sharia, etc. is automatically moved to the Muslim thread?   Can you set up some kind of automation for that?

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« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2017, 11:32:13 am »
Yeah.  One of the reasons I wanted to post here was that MLW became all-Muslims-all-the-time with really nothing new being said.