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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #690 on: November 25, 2022, 09:44:40 am »
But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed. 

Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?

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However, you can choose to see what shows up on your feed.  You can always filter out any tweets that include certain words or phrases.  It’s a something all adults should be able to do.

None of which will protect individuals or groups from harassment or prevent the spread of false information and propaganda. But one cannot expect bad faith actors to understand the issues when their whole worldview depends on maintaining their own ignorance.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #691 on: November 25, 2022, 09:57:26 am »
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But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed.
Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?
We already know that that's not true, because Musk is refusing to re-instate the account of Alex Jones. (The conspiracy theorist who recently lost lawsuits over claims he made that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"(

From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Which is of course quite hypocritical, since many of the re-instated accounts belong to people who are anti-vaxxers/covidiots (who's false claims contribute to excess deaths, of adults AND children).

So his idea of "absolute free speech" extends only as far as his own preferences.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #692 on: November 25, 2022, 09:59:21 am »
Hands up, is anyone other than shitbag here dumb enough to believe this?

We already know that that's not true, because Musk is refusing to re-instate the account of Alex Jones. (The conspiracy theorist who recently lost lawsuits over claims he made that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"(

From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Which is of course quite hypocritical, since many of the re-instated accounts belong to people who are anti-vaxxers/covidiots (who's false claims contribute to excess deaths, of adults AND children).

So his idea of "absolute free speech" extends only as far as his own preferences.
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
You guys are hilarious!

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #693 on: November 25, 2022, 10:05:16 am »
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
You guys are hilarious!

But yes, on Twitter, speech that doesn’t break the law will probably be allowed.

Jones wasn't sued for his tweets. Your "free speech" argument is that Twitter use can be restricted or denied for things someone says off the platform. Absolutely moronic.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #694 on: November 25, 2022, 10:12:08 am »
Isn’t losing a lawsuit mean breaking the law? 😂
 

No it doesn't.

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« Reply #695 on: November 25, 2022, 10:18:05 am »
No it doesn't.
How so?  Civil law wasn't broken?  How is there a judgment against him then?

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« Reply #696 on: November 25, 2022, 10:50:16 am »
No it doesn't.

Technically, yes, tort violations entail breaking the law, but one might as well argue that getting a speeding ticket is grounds for having your twitter account banned.

Also, depending on where you live, hate speech or blasphemy could be against the law so I'm curious how big the asterisk on "total freedom of speech (subject to terms and conditions)" actually is here.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #697 on: November 25, 2022, 11:18:38 am »
Alex Jones used Twitter to help spread his Sandy Hook lies.  So his suspension from Twitter is directly relatable to a court finding him guilty of slander, etc.  Next topic.

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« Reply #698 on: November 25, 2022, 01:15:28 pm »
How so?  Civil law wasn't broken?  How is there a judgment against him then?

The law has civil courts for redress between people.  If I slander you and you show harm in court then that's between us. 

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« Reply #699 on: November 25, 2022, 01:16:48 pm »
From: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alex-jones-twitter/
...there's one right-wing lighting rod the billionaire won't allow back on the platform, Musk told his followers on Sunday: Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist and founder of Infowars was banned from Twitter back in 2018..."My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat," Musk wrote. "I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

Unreal.


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« Reply #700 on: November 25, 2022, 01:21:56 pm »
The law has civil courts for redress between people.  If I slander you and you show harm in court then that's between us.
So there’s a judgment against him because he didn’t break slander laws?  What?

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« Reply #701 on: November 25, 2022, 02:01:37 pm »
So there’s a judgment against him because he didn’t break slander laws?  What?

It's a personal suit.  I don't think he was ever charged with a crime.  The awards are for damages to the plaintiff.

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« Reply #702 on: November 25, 2022, 02:12:57 pm »
It's a personal suit.  I don't think he was ever charged with a crime.  The awards are for damages to the plaintiff.
He was sued for defamation, which is a civil law that he was found guilty of breaking.  Stop digging your hole.  I get that you don't like Elon Musk, but you can't just set aside facts that don't fit with your preferred narrative. 

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« Reply #703 on: November 25, 2022, 02:43:25 pm »
He was sued for defamation, which is a civil law that he was found guilty of breaking.  Stop digging your hole.  I get that you don't like Elon Musk, but you can't just set aside facts that don't fit with your preferred narrative.

Weird.  I didn't say I didn't like him.

How is me saying these things are crime hurtful to him ?

You have to forgive me, I don't do the "enemy of my enemy" thing and Musk himself is a self-declared socialist so I don't understand why you of all people like him.  I guess because he invited Trump back to twitter which Trump declined ?

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AFAIK from law courses it's between them.  There's no 'crime' that I'm aware of.  My law training is one intro level university course so I may well be wrong. 

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« Reply #704 on: November 25, 2022, 02:54:45 pm »
Technically, yes, tort violations entail breaking the law, but one might as well argue that getting a speeding ticket is grounds for having your twitter account banned.
Of course even if you claim "civil cases are still breaking the law", that does not make Musk any less of a hypocrite.

After all, consider the case of Stubby McBonespurs.

He was subject to multiple lawsuits (most notably over the Trump foundation and Trump University). Both cases showed Trump had harmed society (in Trump University, multiple people were conned into spending thousands of dollars for worthless courses.) In both cases, Trump was subject to financial penalties and/or restrictions on his activity. And Trump used Twitter during the commission of his "crimes".

Yet Trump has been allowed back on to twitter. Yet Jones (who "lost a civil case") has not. A double standard by Musk, who claimed to value free speech as a driving factor in his decisions.