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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #105 on: April 26, 2022, 11:54:58 am »
Yes, centre-right billionaires that continue to censor conservative voices.

That's not a thing and you've provided zero evidence that it's a thing so at this point it's kinda embarrassing that you keep insisting it's a thing.

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It's funny that you support such billionaries, and them controlling 90% of the internet and social media just isn't enough for you.

Yes it's me, the guy who thinks all billionaires should have their wealth redistributed, and I love billionaires. Christ, you're absolute garbage at this.

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Like any fascist, you must control everything, as even a little bit of dissent is threatening.

The guy who supports the state punishing private corporations for putting out a news release has thoughts about stifling dissent. LOL.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2022, 12:08:53 pm »
To be fair how much is this Elin's fault?  I assume supervisors aren't dropping n-bombs when the boss is around.  I worked at a high tech manufacturing facility once.  I never saw the owner once and some of the supervisors were a-holes.

Making the leap that this makes Musk a racist is illogical and needs more evidence to confirm.  If he knew it was going on and did nothing then sure.

from the LA Times article:

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Tesla’s billionaire chief executive, Elon Musk, would come through the front of the factory “with his entourage,” Chatman said. “They didn’t want a Black face up there,” she said, adding that Latino colleagues were left up front while Black workers were moved to the back.

They must have got the impression that musk didn't want to see Black wokers from somewhere. Or maybe they assume he hates all colours the way he hates the colour yellow.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #107 on: April 26, 2022, 12:17:20 pm »

You just don't like the guy and he threatens your political agenda.  I mean fine whatever, and he's a bit of an arse.
I just don't like him? You've been reading too much shady and are starting to parrot his arguments. I don't care one way or the other for him. We've never met. Although from other people's accounts, I agree he seems like a douche. But who doesn't these days?
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2022, 12:31:01 pm »
Private individuals should not be able to possess public discussions.

That's a conflict of interest.

I don't care which billionaires you guys love/hate today or tomorrow - it's a bad idea.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2022, 12:37:34 pm »
So would you nationalize or demonopolize it?
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2022, 12:42:22 pm »
Private individuals should not be able to possess public discussions.

That's a conflict of interest.

I don't care which billionaires you guys love/hate today or tomorrow - it's a bad idea.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2022, 01:17:50 pm »
This guy is supposedly a genius.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2022, 01:56:36 pm »
Like this forum?

Not really.

If there's a pervasive mode of discussion that influences how we do things we shouldn't have a Zuckerberg, Dempsey, Musk or Baizos hitting the delete key.

Why have Freedom of Speech ?

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« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2022, 02:31:54 pm »
Not really.

If there's a pervasive mode of discussion that influences how we do things we shouldn't have a Zuckerberg, Dempsey, Musk or Baizos hitting the delete key.

Why have Freedom of Speech ?
What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can?  Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before?  Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?  When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2022, 02:57:05 pm »
What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can?  Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before?  Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?

You not paying attention/being ignorant doesn't mean anyone thought it was ok.

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When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

Yeah and now that Musk owns Twitter, he can do what he wants and no one has said otherwise, so I have no idea what you're blubbering about.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2022, 03:05:59 pm »
1. What's the criteria then?  Which platforms can't be owned privately and which ones can? 

2. Regardless, why is this only an issue now, now that Musk has bought Twitter, and not an issue before? 

3. Why was/is it ok for Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc to be operated in the same manner?  When Twitter and Facebook etc censored the New York Post over the Hunter Biden story, the same people that are speaking up now, said absolutely nothing then.  In fact, all I heard was iTs A pRiVaTE cOmPaNY, tHeY cAn dO WhAT tHEy wAnT.

1. I don't know about platforms but I do know about an entire medium... and one that mitigates point-to-point communication such as me telling my neighbours about a local concern... is corporate overreach.  You yourself don't like Disney so would you ok with Disney deciding you weren't allowed to use he/she anymore in your Facebook posts ?  My point isn't about left/right it's about controlling communication.

As a conservative, it's in your interest to not want the mob to decide what you can/can't say.

2. It has been for awhile, with Twitter (Trump getting kicked out or not, with the rules being used selectively for others) and Facebook too.  There have been calls from Trump as well as people like Elizabeth Warren to address it.

3. Not ok. 

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« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2022, 03:28:07 pm »
1. I don't know about platforms but I do know about an entire medium... and one that mitigates point-to-point communication such as me telling my neighbours about a local concern... is corporate overreach.  You yourself don't like Disney so would you ok with Disney deciding you weren't allowed to use he/she anymore in your Facebook posts ?  My point isn't about left/right it's about controlling communication.

As a conservative, it's in your interest to not want the mob to decide what you can/can't say.

2. It has been for awhile, with Twitter (Trump getting kicked out or not, with the rules being used selectively for others) and Facebook too.  There have been calls from Trump as well as people like Elizabeth Warren to address it.

3. Not ok.

why are you pretending any of that idiot's complaints are in good faith? Hell, they're not even coherent.

1. It sucks that almost all our communication is mediated through platforms owned by sociopathic billionaires who are accountable to no one with powers that a medieval despot could only dream of.

2. With that being said, they can do what they want as private actors and as long as this is the model we're stuck with, our choices are either live with it or opt out of using those platforms.

3. It's extremely comical to hear right wingers complain about suppression of conservative speech when there's no evidence of censorship and plenty of evidence that these platforms amplify conservative voices.

4. It's also funny that decades of conservative activism to hollow out the ability of the state to take action on antitrust issues and promote monopolies have led to social media companies having free reign to censor conservatives (a thing that, again, is not actually happening).

5. The only issue people have with Musk buying Twitter is that he's gonna make it suck even more than it already does. It's not like there aren't plenty of places on the internet where people can say whatever they want, it's just that those places are terrible and most normal people avoid them for that reason.



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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2022, 03:41:40 pm »
why are you pretending any of that idiot's complaints are in good faith? Hell, they're not even coherent.

1. It sucks that almost all our communication is mediated through platforms owned by sociopathic billionaires who are accountable to no one with powers that a medieval despot could only dream of.

2. With that being said, they can do what they want as private actors and as long as this is the model we're stuck with, our choices are either live with it or opt out of using those platforms.

3. It's extremely comical to hear right wingers complain about suppression of conservative speech when there's no evidence of censorship and plenty of evidence that these platforms amplify conservative voices.

4. It's also funny that decades of conservative activism to hollow out the ability of the state to take action on antitrust issues and promote monopolies have led to social media companies having free reign to censor conservatives (a thing that, again, is not actually happening).

5. The only issue people have with Musk buying Twitter is that he's gonna make it suck even more than it already does. It's not like there aren't plenty of places on the internet where people can say whatever they want, it's just that those places are terrible and most normal people avoid them for that reason.

Ok - well I see people as redeemable, I don't know....

No self-respecting conservative lives without principles so if you are dealing with a purported conservative, extract the principles that they follow and test them.

This is my tried and true measure for turning conservatives into socialists.

Remember Mr. Canada ?  He's 100% NDP now.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2022, 04:54:08 pm »
Because Mr Canada was always a troll. He was one of shady’s alter egos.

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« Reply #119 on: April 26, 2022, 05:00:48 pm »
Not a chance. Mr. C was simple but not an idiot. He could still think for himself.