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Offline wilber

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« Reply #120 on: March 10, 2020, 10:30:16 am »
This is why I'm confused: aren't you a centre-conservative ?

Growth means growth of the "economy", which is a man-made idea of the movement of goods and services of "value".

So if I come up with a wheelbarrow that is easier to use, with smaller tires, I have created something I can trade for more goods and services.  The economy has now "grown" even though I am using something with less material.  New services can grow the economy and not degrade the planet.  And if humanity is to survive, we eventually have to leave the planet anyway.

Have some imagination.

My imagination is just different from yours. Optimism can be a good thing but not always justified.

BTW. Wheelbarrows with smaller tires don't work worth a damn. Get one with the biggest tire you can find.
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« Reply #121 on: March 10, 2020, 02:47:38 pm »
I don't think anyone would argue that the projected 26 billion federal deficit for this year is now out the window. Maybe we aren't that far from an unsustainable financial situation after all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-recession-oil-1.5491122
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« Reply #122 on: March 10, 2020, 03:06:32 pm »
My imagination is just different from yours. Optimism can be a good thing but not always justified.

BTW. Wheelbarrows with smaller tires don't work worth a damn. Get one with the biggest tire you can find.

Follow my analogy.  The point is that growth is not synonymous with 'consumer more material from the earth'.

Amazon is growing while they reduce packaging size....

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« Reply #123 on: March 10, 2020, 03:07:07 pm »
I don't think anyone would argue that the projected 26 billion federal deficit for this year is now out the window. Maybe we aren't that far from an unsustainable financial situation after all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-recession-oil-1.5491122

True enough but I also think we are better shape than others.

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« Reply #124 on: March 10, 2020, 04:12:11 pm »
True enough but I also think we are better shape than others.

Said the last one to drown.
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« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2020, 05:24:09 pm »
Follow my analogy.  The point is that growth is not synonymous with 'consumer more material from the earth'.

Amazon is growing while they reduce packaging size....

But Amazon is still using more total packaging no matter the size, that's the point.  Unless all growth is using 100% recycled and 100% non-fossil fuel energy then growth is not sustainable longterm unless we do so or acquire more resources away from earth.
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« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2020, 06:16:35 pm »
Follow my analogy.  The point is that growth is not synonymous with 'consumer more material from the earth'.

Amazon is growing while they reduce packaging size....

Delivering every parcel individually with fossil fuel powered vehicles. Now we have "growth" with things like Skip the Dishes and other delivered services that used to be done by people in their homes without driving anywhere.
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« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2020, 06:22:41 pm »
Delivering every parcel individually with fossil fuel powered vehicles. Now we have "growth" with things like Skip the Dishes and other delivered services that used to be done by people in their homes without driving anywhere.

Bicycle couriers are starting to do some of this, and of course electric vehicles, but yes it is mostly fossil fueled vehicles at the moment.

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« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2020, 06:23:10 pm »
But Amazon is still using more total packaging no matter the size, that's the point.  Unless all growth is using 100% recycled and 100% non-fossil fuel energy then growth is not sustainable longterm unless we do so or acquire more resources away from earth.
it doesn't have to be recycled, just sustainable

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« Reply #129 on: March 10, 2020, 07:41:37 pm »
it doesn't have to be recycled, just sustainable
What do you call sustainable? Plastic bags and other single use plastics are sustainable. We have enough oil to make them for a thousand years.
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« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2020, 08:21:16 pm »
What do you call sustainable? Plastic bags and other single use plastics are sustainable. We have enough oil to make them for a thousand years.

Except investors are fleeing the oil market like rts from a sinking ship. Checked the price lately?

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« Reply #131 on: March 10, 2020, 09:10:54 pm »
Except investors are fleeing the oil market like rts from a sinking ship. Checked the price lately?
So? Checked the Canadian dollar lately?
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« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2020, 09:51:06 pm »
Except investors are fleeing the oil market like rts from a sinking ship. Checked the price lately?

Low price of oil makes it even cheaper to make plastic.
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« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2020, 10:09:41 pm »
Low price of oil makes it even cheaper to make plastic.

Right then, you carry on investing in the oil business. I'm heading out to gas up my car as the price of the product continues to nose dive. 

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« Reply #134 on: March 12, 2020, 03:54:23 pm »
I feel like the coronavirus pandemic will have economic impact that we are going to dealing with for years to come, like the 2007 meltdown.

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