Canadian Politics Today

This is why I'm confused: aren't you a centre-conservative ?

Growth means growth of the "economy", which is a man-made idea of the movement of goods and services of "value".

So if I come up with a wheelbarrow that is easier to use, with smaller tires, I have created something I can trade for more goods and services.  The economy has now "grown" even though I am using something with less material.  New services can grow the economy and not degrade the planet.  And if humanity is to survive, we eventually have to leave the planet anyway.

Have some imagination.

My imagination is just different from yours. Optimism can be a good thing but not always justified.

BTW. Wheelbarrows with smaller tires don't work worth a damn. Get one with the biggest tire you can find.

True enough but I also think we are better shape than others.

Follow my analogy.  The point is that growth is not synonymous with 'consumer more material from the earth'.

Amazon is growing while they reduce packaging size....

But Amazon is still using more total packaging no matter the size, that's the point.  Unless all growth is using 100% recycled and 100% non-fossil fuel energy then growth is not sustainable longterm unless we do so or acquire more resources away from earth.

What do you call sustainable? Plastic bags and other single use plastics are sustainable. We have enough oil to make them for a thousand years.

Except investors are fleeing the oil market like rts from a sinking ship. Checked the price lately?