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Dementia Villages
« on: February 28, 2018, 12:58:22 pm »
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada%e2%80%99s-first-%e2%80%98dementia-village%e2%80%99-is-set-to-open-its-doors-in-langley-bc-next-year/ar-BBJHCDD?li=AAggNb9

First started in Europe, but are now coming to Canada.

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Living in the privately funded project won’t be cheap. Jespersen said he is still working on final numbers, but he estimates it will cost between $190 to $245 a day per person, or $6,000 to $7,500 a month.

“People will say that’s a lot of money, and it absolutely is a lot of money,” he said. “It’s about the same amount of money we would get from the government if the government funded us to provide care. That’s what it costs to do what we’re doing.”

Would be nice if the government helped fund these.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 02:39:53 pm »
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada%e2%80%99s-first-%e2%80%98dementia-village%e2%80%99-is-set-to-open-its-doors-in-langley-bc-next-year/ar-BBJHCDD?li=AAggNb9

First started in Europe, but are now coming to Canada.

Would be nice if the government helped fund these.

My personal preference is that if my mind is so far gone that I can't take care of myself (eating, toiletting, dressing, talking/communicating) its not worth costing family or gov several thousand a month to take care of me.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 03:20:27 pm »
My personal preference is that if my mind is so far gone that I can't take care of myself (eating, toiletting, dressing, talking/communicating) its not worth costing family or gov several thousand a month to take care of me.

That's too bad.  I think you're worth it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 06:28:48 pm »
That's too bad.  I think you're worth it.

Really?  Unable to recognize anyone, unable to communicate, unable to feed myself, incontinent, confined to a wheelchair or bedridden?   I would rather gov money was spent on those who still had quality of life and needed help.  Mentally or physically challenged people, refugees, poverty-stricken, etc.  And if its coming out of my estate, I would rather it went to my kids.

But thanks for validating my worth.   :)

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 08:35:03 pm »
My personal preference is that if my mind is so far gone that I can't take care of myself (eating, toiletting, dressing, talking/communicating) its not worth costing family or gov several thousand a month to take care of me.

I agree with this.  Unfortunately, I think it will be a while before society is enlightened enough to agree.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 08:43:02 pm »
I agree with dia as well.

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 03:27:41 am »
My personal preference is that if my mind is so far gone that I can't take care of myself (eating, toiletting, dressing, talking/communicating) its not worth costing family or gov several thousand a month to take care of me.

I feel the same way. If things get to that state, I feel like even if the physical shell is still functioning, the real me is probably long gone.  In my family, the history seems to be that cancer kills the body before the mind has a chance to reach that state, so I guess I have that to look forward to.  :-\

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 08:13:14 am »
That’s not what this article is about. How is this different from caring for someome with a severe disability or palliative care for other diseases? I hope euthanasia without informed consent never becomes legal.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 08:19:10 am »
That’s not what this article is about. How is this different from caring for someome with a severe disability or palliative care for other diseases? I hope euthanasia without informed consent never becomes legal.

That is where dementia ends up, however, and I am not advocating for euthanasia without consent or while an individual retains cognitive ability.   

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 08:42:31 am »
I feel the same way. If things get to that state, I feel like even if the physical shell is still functioning, the real me is probably long gone.  In my family, the history seems to be that cancer kills the body before the mind has a chance to reach that state, so I guess I have that to look forward to.  :-\

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There is more dementia in my family than cancer, so this is something I have thought about a lot.   I hate the idea of having a physically healthy body but no mind to speak of.   I read a story once of a woman who tracked her progression and decided to take her own life before she became incapable.  It was around the stage where coloring books were a challenge for her, I believe and she had increasing and longer episodes of "white fog" where time just disappeared.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 03:58:41 pm »
That’s not what this article is about. How is this different from caring for someome with a severe disability or palliative care for other diseases? I hope euthanasia without informed consent never becomes legal.

Nobody is saying that, but hopefully more people start writing it in their will while they are of sound mind.

I certainly don't want to be kept around if I end up like that.  I would hate for my children to see me in such a state.

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 04:20:39 pm »
I think there must be some level of capability shown by the residents in the Village:

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“What makes The Village different from traditional nursing homes … is that residents will be able to shop, have a coffee, walk their dog, get their hair cut and take part in activities such as gardening by themselves,” Jespersen said.

I also like the idea that pets are allowed.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 04:35:27 pm »
I think there must be some level of capability shown by the residents in the Village:

I have no doubt that when they arrive, most will be at least somewhat cognizant and independent.  But what is the facility going to do when they get beyond that, boot them out?

Advertising brochures and presentations only show the very top tier of care home residents and quite probably actors in a lot of them.  The rest aren't pretty enough to persuade kids to put mom or dad there.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 05:04:30 pm »
I have no doubt that when they arrive, most will be at least somewhat cognizant and independent.  But what is the facility going to do when they get beyond that, boot them out?

Advertising brochures and presentations only show the very top tier of care home residents and quite probably actors in a lot of them.  The rest aren't pretty enough to persuade kids to put mom or dad there.

So, other than euthanasia, what is your idea for caring for dementia patients?
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2018, 06:59:48 pm »
I have no doubt that when they arrive, most will be at least somewhat cognizant and independent.  But what is the facility going to do when they get beyond that, boot them out?

For $6000-$7500/month, I'm sure the family will move them somewhere else at that point.  I think this is just for that middle-stage dementia where they can no longer take care of themselves but not quite ready for an end-of-life facility.

Basically it's so they can have an illusion of freedom and the children aren't sacrificing their lives to take care of family (if they're rich enough to afford it, that is).

When they're bed-ridden I'm sure they are no longer a good candidate for the facility.